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Morrigu Capricorn



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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 8:34 pm
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I couldn't work out where to put this so......

Julian Assange investigation dropped by Swedish prosecutors after seven years

Swedish prosecutors say they will drop a preliminary investigation into an allegation of sexual assault against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, bringing to an end a seven-year legal stand-off.

"Chief Prosecutor Marianne Ny has today decided to discontinue the preliminary investigation regarding suspected rape concerning Julian Assange," a statement read.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-19/swedish-prosecutors-end-investigation-into-assange-allegations/8542998

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:11 pm
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Yeah, read that on CNN.

Interesting to see if he goes free now or if the USA tries to intervene.

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:36 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
Yeah, read that on CNN.

Interesting to see if he goes free now or if the USA tries to intervene.


The Yanks I would Reckon will stick there nose into it

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:56 pm
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What do you suppose the compensation for being wrongfully pursued for serious criminal charges for 7 years is under Swedish law?
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 10:43 pm
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Dave The Man wrote:
stui magpie wrote:
Yeah, read that on CNN.

Interesting to see if he goes free now or if the USA tries to intervene.


The Yanks I would Reckon will stick there nose into it


Stick their nose in?! Confused

He leaked thousands of classified US documents!


Wikileaks ring a bell?

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 10:48 pm
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I thought so too.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 11:01 pm
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Skids wrote:
Dave The Man wrote:
stui magpie wrote:
Yeah, read that on CNN.

Interesting to see if he goes free now or if the USA tries to intervene.


The Yanks I would Reckon will stick there nose into it


Stick their nose in?! Confused

He leaked thousands of classified US documents!


Wikileaks ring a bell?


Yup state the obvious!

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 11:41 pm
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The US extradition request must be on its way. He's still liable for arrest for breaching bail conditions if he leaves the building, for charges that no longer exist. There should be tens of thousands of Australians on the streets if this dirty multi-national conspiracy reaches its conclusion.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 11:46 pm
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^ totally agree David!!!
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what is your actual evidence for this " dirty multinational conspiracy" ? As far as I can see, the existing laws in each country involved have not been breached or manipulated, but are being properly acted upon by the relevant authorities. At this point, the reason cited by the Swedish Justice Minister for ceasing pursuit of the case is not lack of evidence, but rather that it cannot be pursued while Assange is inaccessible in Thr Ecuadorian Embassy in London. If he leaves, presumably the case can, and should, be reignited.

As far as I can see, the only conspiracy which has clearly taken place in this case is the conspiracy to publish documents unlawfully stolen from US military and state department servers, and his action in unlawfully skipping bail.

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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 2:33 am
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Assange was happy to talk to the Swedish authorities in the embassy. He wanted assurances that he wouldn't be handed over to the USA.

The bozos that allowed a sexually confused low level soldier to have access to that amount of material are to just as liable. Apparently the POTUS has no such issues giving classified material to the Russians.

Good to see a succession of Australian governemnts on both sides do nothing to intervene on his behalf yet get in a flap over bimbos moving drugs or stealing bar mats or journalists hiring mercenaries to snatch kids off the street.

It is not like he had classified documents on his private email accounts either like a former US Secretary of State.

Enjoy Ecuador Julian, the Chicas are hot.

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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 9:51 am
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Mugwump wrote:
what is your actual evidence for this " dirty multinational conspiracy" ? As far as I can see, the existing laws in each country involved have not been breached or manipulated, but are being properly acted upon by the relevant authorities. At this point, the reason cited by the Swedish Justice Minister for ceasing pursuit of the case is not lack of evidence, but rather that it cannot be pursued while Assange is inaccessible in Thr Ecuadorian Embassy in London. If he leaves, presumably the case can, and should, be reignited.

As far as I can see, the only conspiracy which has clearly taken place in this case is the conspiracy to publish documents unlawfully stolen from US military and state department servers, and his action in unlawfully skipping bail.


A good run down of some of the vagaries of the case:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2012/06/20/rundle-assange-makes-his-escape-into-a-diplomatic-storm

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Had Assange consented to the extradition he would have entered the Swedish legal system, which has two main features:

1) There is no such thing as bail; youre either accused of a non-coercive crime and let out on licence, or youre on remand until trial.

2) Sweden has a distinctive system of extradition especially to the US in which someone accused of a crime in Sweden (and hence on remand) can be loaned to the US for prosecution there. This process does not exist in many other countries.

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[The] sentiment behind many of the calls from the liberal-left, that Assange should simply go to Sweden and face the accusations against him ... presumes a neutrality and genuine eye for truth on the part of the Swedish state, an unwise assumption for two reason: first, the possibility that there may be an actual high-level US-Sweden conspiracy going on, and secondly, that the Swedish state legal process may have become so dominated by bureaucratic interests and statist feminism that it would be unable to deal with him fairly.

Lets take the second of these first, and remark on a few salient points:

1) Swedens legal process for sex crimes is archaic, and has not been overhauled properly. The slightest accusation in this case of non-violent sexual line-crossing not only earns the accused months in remand, but eventually results in a trial in a closed court, before judges appointed by the ruling political parties.

2) The process by which Assange was accused, cleared, and then re-accused of these incidents beggars belief. Two women went to a Stockholm police station one Friday afternoon in August 2010, to either (and here accounts vary) report Assange for sexual misconduct, or inquire as to how he could be forced to take an STI test. Only one woman, Sofia Wilen, gave a statement, saying that the morning after a sexual encounter with Assange, he had initiated sex while she was asleep, and without a condom; by her own testimony, she said that she then gave consent to continue the act.

3) While her statement was being given, police had already contacted a prosecutor to issue an investigation warrant for arrest. When Wilen was informed of this, she refused to sign her own evidence statement, saying that she had been pushed into making a complaint by people around her. The next day, the senior prosecutor for Stockholm rescinded the warrant, saying that there was nothing in the statement suggesting a crime had occurred.

4) By Monday, that decision had been appealed, with the two women now represented by Claes Borgstrom, a big wig in the Social Democratic party, and drafter of the 2005 sex crimes laws under which Assange was being accused laws that many had said were unworkable. The second complainant in the affair, Anna Ardin, now changed her story. She had been interviewed the day after Wilen had told of a rough but consensual sexual encounter with Assange, but suggested he had torn a condom off during sex.

5) In the weeks between the Stockholm prosecutor rejecting Wilens statement as evidence of a potential crime, and the appeal, Ardins story changed, and her account of rough consensual foreplay became an accusation that Assange had pinned her down with his body during sex to prevent her applying a condom. This became the basis for a new accusation sexual coercion which would have been sufficient as a felony, should the appeal prosecutor not reinstate Wilens rape accusation. In that week, tweets were deleted and blog posts changed to remove any suggestion that Ardin had thought Assanges behaviour to her consensual.

6) The prosecutor to whom the appeal was made Marianne Ny was a former head of the Crime Development Unit, whose specific brief was to develop new applications of sex crimes laws, in areas where they had not previously been applied. She had previously spoken of remand as a form of de facto justice for men accused of sex crimes, whom the courts would otherwise let free.

7) The European arrest warrant, and the Interpol red notice under which Assange is being extradited, was issued with a speed and seriousness usually reserved for major violent criminals, rather than someone simply wanted for further questioning, without a charge being present.

That is surely enough to get the antennae going, but theres more:

1) Assanges visit to Sweden during which these incidents occurred had raised alarm in both the centre-right Swedish establishment and the US. Had he been granted the residency he applied for that month, Assange could have become a registered Swedish journalist and based WikiLeaks there, gaining the substantial protections the Swedish state extends to journalists. It has been suggested the US had told Sweden it would curtail intelligence sharing if that occurred. After the accusations were made, Assange was denied residency.

2) Swedens defence and intelligence needs are overwhelmingly oriented to its relations to Russia. Sweden runs a huge northern fleet, and maintains a national service-based conscript army, all based on the premise that a military emergency between Russia and Europe would see the former try to enter through the top. Swedens right, concentrated in the ruling Moderate party, have for years been trying to abolish Swedish neutrality, and have it join NATO. In fact, Sweden and NATO have been working together closely for years. Sweden becoming a centre for WikiLeaks would have been a disaster for that process.

3) Claes Borgstrom, the politician-lawyer who suddenly popped up to assist the two women accusers, is the law partner of Thomas Bodstrom, the former justice minister in the Social Democratic government that lost power in 2006. In 2001 Bodstrom had been an enthusiastic advocate of secret renditions at US request, with several Swedish citizens of Egyptian origin (Egyptian political refugees granted asylum and citizenship by Sweden, by another part of the state process) rendered back to Egypt and tortured. The entire interconnected Swedish establishment was oriented to a war on terror superstate strategy, and an Assange trial on criminal matters would fit that perfectly.

4) In 2011, a grand jury was secretly empanelled in Maryland in the US to bring down indictments in the matter of cablegate, the vast release of files that it is usually assumed were leaked to WikiLeaks by Bradley Manning, a junior information officer who had become connected to the world of hacking through a personal relationship with a Boston-based hacker. Manning is now on trial on a brace of charges that will most likely see him in prison for the rest of his life; the intent of the prosecutors convening the grand jury appears to be to dynamically link Assange with Mannings leaking of the files, so that Assange can be indicted and extradited for espionage.

Those two interconnecting processes suggest that Assange is within reason to do whatever he can to stay out of the clutches of both states.

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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 9:55 am
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 11:10 am
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^^ Yes, David - the minor problem with the prosecution is that there is no viable evidence capable of securing a valid conviction, even under a civil-law system.
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 5:52 pm
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^ thank you David, for the summary. There is a lot of supposition there, but no allowance for the possibility that the Swedish Justice Minister is acting as Swedish Law requires, or that the Swedish justice system is not actually corrupt enough to invent a charge at the behest of a foreign power.

It is a very plausible narrative, and it may be true - but the actual evidence to support it seems flimsy.

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