French election 2017

Mugwump · Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne

^ If Marseilles has become a "harbour of spite", the reason is probably that this great fortress city is where the clash between the Arab world and French culture has come to the boil : it is a boiling pot into which France has thrown itself via dreadful and lax immigration policy. Who is to blame for that clash is a matter of history, but what is clear is that Marseilles - once a centre of Republican sentiment and the source of that great anthem - now stands for France's position on the front line of the clash between Western culture and the Arab world.

As an aside, his French must be truly affreux if he thinks a "chambray" shirt is a "chambre" shirt. Quelle chemise !!

stui magpie · Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:33 am

Pies4shaw · pies4shaw Joined: 08 Oct 2007

So, just the one fascist through to the second round, then.

HAL · Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:01 am

I think I know that one.

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39686993

Most polls suggest a landslide win for Macron in the second round, but they've been wrong before...

Jezza · 2023 PREMIERS! Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End

Jezza · 2023 PREMIERS! Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End

Results (78.27% voter turnout)

Macron = 23.90%
Le Pen = 21.42%
Fillon = 19.94%
Melenchon = 19.56%
Hamon = 6.35%
Dupont-Aignan = 4.75%
Lassalle = 1.22%
Poutou = 1.10%
Asselineau = 0.92%
Arthaud = 0.65%
Cheminade = 0.18%

Most polls suggesting that Macron will attain 60 to 65% of the vote in the second round to Le Pen's 35 to 40%.

Wokko · Come and take it. Joined: 04 Oct 2005

France needs Le Pen, but this is one of the most leftist countries in Europe. Still, polls had Hillary in a landslide and Brexit as no chance so I'm still hoping that France has some life in it and wont commit cultural suicide like Germany and Sweden.

Skids · Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:00 pm

This is why millions of French people will vote Marine Le Pen for president

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170423/why-we-are-voting-marine-le-pen-for-french-president

swoop42 · Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:43 pm

So it's down to Macaroni and Penne.

stui magpie · Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:13 pm

Mugwump · Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne

^ Yes, this is what happens when people convince themselves that they are not only correct, but also (and this is the horrible bit) morally good because of what they believe.

When you convince yourself of that, you can believe that your opponents are bad, and need to be punished and controlled by your goodness.

That's why, in history, the puritans tend to hold the best human barbecues. And the modern left are very much the new puritans.

Morrigu · Joined: 11 Aug 2001

David · I dare you to try Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda

Mugwump · Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Location: Between London and Melbourne

^ yes, that's quite true. France's Leftism is of a very conservative kind : class war, strong unions, very high employment protection, high social spending, etc. The roots of this French conservatism are interesting. I suspect it either goes back to the chaotic revolutions of 1789, 1848 and 1870, or (more probably) to the destabilising conflicts (and latterly collaboration) with Germany in 1870, 1914 and 1940.