Trade Sidebottom & Fasolo

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[simon tonna]

move Sidebottom on now while he as some if any currency. I've been saying it for years. he plays football like its a given right and never puts he's body on the line. he not a leaders asshole or a good example of what we need at Collingwood right now. at best he's a front and centre player in a forward pocket not a around the ground leader of men who leads by example. id keep fazolo as he'd be worth nothing. just play him in reserves along side Mayne.

[Invigoration]

I'd definitely be open to trading Sidebottom as part of acquiring a decent young tall.

Fasolo's our most dangerous forward at the moment. Has brain farts, but he is still relatively young. Worth a lot more to us than he would be on the trade table. We need to stop using him as a contested marking target going in to the 50 though.
Deserves the benefit of the doubt - he was one of our most reliable kicks last year. Should have kicked 15+ to date which would be a pretty good return. Needs to just get into the right headspace.

[qldmagpie67]

INXS I'll take your word on the 2008 new draft rankings but that's history revisited.
Currently he's not ranked in the top 50 midfielders in the comp on champion data which I think says a lot about he's true worth as a midfielder.
He rarely gets a clearance, his inside 50's numbers to advantage are near nil, he has only a average disposal effeciency rating, he doesn't impact the scoreboard anywhere near the same as the guys ranked above him and the majority of his possessions are always non contested.
In today's game you need to be very good at a least 4 aspects of being a midfielder in disposal eff, clearances, tackles, inside 50's, 1%ers, work rate & scoreboard involvement
Right now he would get a pass mark on 2 each week sometimes 3 or 4 each week then other weeks 1
That's the inconsistency he brings
Look unless we get a new coach this is really only cheap talk because Buckley rates him highly and he won't be traded or dropped.
The length of his contract and the $$$ in it would push his value down unless we would be prepared to cover a large portion of it going forward which isn't smart playing a player to play against you.
A new coach may have new ideas but right now even though I'm one of his biggest critics (from being continually frustrated by him) he's in our best 22 and will play every game unless injured or suspended

[derkd]

Sidebottom's current market value would not be top 10....probably in the teens to early 20's.


Too dangerous to let him go...under the right coach who could get him in the right role he could still be a gun.

[inxs88]

7 weeks later I think still has relevance, especially the Sidebottom trade! If the following players in the last 5 years have commanded first round picks:

* J. Redden: Pick 17 given to Brisbane
* S. Wellingham for Pick 18 to Pies (used on Grundy)
* L. Henderson: 1st Round pick to Cats
* J. Caddy: 1st Round pick to Gold Coast
* B. McEvoy: Pick 18 to Saints
* J. O'Rourke: Pick 19 to GWS
* J. Anderson: Pick 15 to Roos (used on Ryan Burton)
* C. Yarran: Pick 19 to Blues
* B. Deledio: future first Rd pick for Tigers

So nobody can tell me that after 8.5 seasons:

* Aged 26 years old
* 177 matches
* 135 goals
* 6 top 10's in the Best and Fairest
* durable body

There is no doubt a club would offer a top 15 pick for him. I have loved his contribution to the Pies however we have plenty of prototype players of a similar ilk!

We shall have a top 6 first round draft pick, add a top 15 pick and am sure we can load up on some key position elite talent at the Draft this year.

[HAL]

Oops. Too much data.

[piedys]

[inxs88]

[Pies4shaw]

If Treloar is worth 2 first round picks, Sidey is worth 4.

I think we should trade him, though - he's good enough to win a couple of Norm Smith Medals and he's plainly not going to get the chance to do that at Collingwood.

[swoop42]

I doubt he'll be traded or even should be but he's probably the one if forced to choose who would be the most expendable if we wanted a decent return in terms of trade.

As part of a deal for a known quantity such as Lever who fills a need on the list would be the best outcome if you were going to risk such a decision.

[Raw Hammer]

Swap for Daniel Rich? Rich kicks it a mile. Turned 27 last month. Maybe a swap of first round draft picks as well (probably a swap of 1 for 3). We get Rich and Pick 1, they get Sidebottom and Pick 3.

[inxs88]

[Presti35]

Not interested in Rich. Not in a trade anyway.

Obviously no player is untradeable, but I'd prefer to hold on to both atm.

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