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Yayo_matteo
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Nathans time is coming to end at our club, you would hopefully think.
Alastair Clarkson is having problems at hawthorn. Should our club hit him up and offer the job for next season and beyond?
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regan is true fullback
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Maybe they could swap, the way Parkin and Walls swapped in the mid '80s.
Led to a premiership for the showponies in 1987, and third spot for Fitzroy in 1986. Might be worth a try... |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
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If hawthorn's performance this year does not tell you that blaming coaches is an easy get out for list issues, then go ahead.
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thompsoc
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| Mugwump wrote: | | If hawthorn's performance this year does not tell you that blaming coaches is an easy get out for list issues, then go ahead. |
No Mugwump.
It is about the way they manage and develop this list.
It is not about short term win/ loss ratio's.
With Clako it will be about whether he can rebuild over the next 3 or 4 years.
Some coaches are good on the way up and not good on developing a young list ( my opinion ) Lyon comes to mind.
Clako has 4 flags so he deserves to have his choice.
It may be better for Clako to come to us as our list isn't that bad.
It will take a while for the Hawks to get their mojo back.
It is 100% certain that the Hawks wouldn't want a straight swap with Bux.
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regan is true fullback
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The fact is that Clarkson, like most successful coaches, has a reputation in the bank to survive the lean times, similar to one of your CEOs who has got the score on the board and is therefore likely to be head hunted.
Barassi was similarly head hunted, in spite of his poor record at Melbourne. The other fact is that they are all dead men walking, it is rare for a coach to go at a time of his choosing. |
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thompsoc
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How true Regan how true.
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Location: Between London and Melbourne
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| thompsoc wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | If hawthorn's performance this year does not tell you that blaming coaches is an easy get out for list issues, then go ahead. |
No Mugwump.
It is about the way they manage and develop this list.
It is not about short term win/ loss ratio's.
With Clako it will be about whether he can rebuild over the next 3 or 4 years.
Some coaches are good on the way up and not good on developing a young list ( my opinion ) Lyon comes to mind.
Clako has 4 flags so he deserves to have his choice.
It may be better for Clako to come to us as our list isn't that bad.
It will take a while for the Hawks to get their mojo back.
It is 100% certain that the Hawks wouldn't want a straight swap with Bux. |
i can't disagree with your last comment, and it is true that Clarkson does have a record that Buckley certainly doesn't - but the fact that great coaches can fail, and badly, with a poor list (see also Malthouse at Carlton) must tell you that coaching is not the magic bullet that most people on here think. It is part of the puzzle, but those who think that a change of coach will fix it all are dreaming.
A long time Buckley loyalist, I am happy to get Clarkson if Buckley can't make the finals this year (and it is clearly looking like an uphill run from here). He's had a fair run at it, and failure in 2017 has to be the headstone moment.
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Bruce Gonsalves 
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| Post subject: Re: Should we get clarkson to replace buckley? | |
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| Yayo_matteo wrote: | Nathans time is coming to end at our club, you would hopefully think.
Alastair Clarkson is having problems at hawthorn. Should our club hit him up and offer the job for next season and beyond? |
Has to be Markosuv re-incarnated? |
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think positive 
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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| Bruce Gonsalves wrote: | | Yayo_matteo wrote: | Nathans time is coming to end at our club, you would hopefully think.
Alastair Clarkson is having problems at hawthorn. Should our club hit him up and offer the job for next season and beyond? |
Has to be Markosuv re-incarnated? |
Have it on good authority it's Alistair smash the wall Clarkson!
Welcome!
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Monco Matt 
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Joined: 28 Apr 2009
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If we got Clarko one thing is for certain, he will not tolerate any of our hacks that butcher the footy and no player will get a free ride nor an auto selection. Talking about Blair, Crisp, Ramsay, Greenwood, Fasolo, White, Sidebottom, Maynard, Adams and many more. I fear only the ruthlessness of Clarko can whip this Motley Crue into shape.
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Redlight
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| Mugwump wrote: | | If hawthorn's performance this year does not tell you that blaming coaches is an easy get out for list issues, then go ahead. |
You are spot on. The unfortunate fact is that this board is full of 'grass is greener' types who are certain that a change will fix everything...
Like sacking Ratten and hiring Malthouse fixed Carlton.
Like sacking Matthews for Shaw fixed Collingwood.
Can we stop trying to pretend that the answer is simple and obvious? Coaching is a complex machine, it's about timing, ability, timing, good fortune and timing.
Oh, and luck, luck and luck.
Matthews took over the Pies at the perfect time and he did the same with Brisbane. He's a very astute man and chose his appointments wisely.
Clarkson is the same. When he was appointed to Hawthorn, with the support staff and list he had, he was a perfect choice (although he damn near got sacked on more than one occasion).
In a different time he coaches a team on the bottom of the ladder, but he's also the magic bullet for us?
His ability hasn't changed, so 'coaching ability' isn't the only difference between being Premier and wooden spooner. Some of you are desperate to appoint Clarkson as coach, when he is at the helm of one of the few teams doing worse than we are.
What could possibly go wrong? |
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3rd degree
Joined: 22 Jun 2004
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Pagan or Choco Williams both will work cheap !
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London Dave 
Ješte jedna pivo prosím
Joined: 16 Dec 1998
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| Monco Matt wrote: | | If we got Clarko one thing is for certain, he will not tolerate any of our hacks that butcher the footy and no player will get a free ride nor an auto selection. Talking about Blair, Crisp, Ramsay, Greenwood, Fasolo, White, Sidebottom, Maynard, Adams and many more. I fear only the ruthlessness of Clarko can whip this Motley Crue into shape. |
Would be a bit like 77 when Tommy Hafey took charge |
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Joined: 05 May 2010
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Clarko is coaching a premiership team to 0-4. He is a dud with a bad gameplan. If you cant get the best out of a team that won a premiewrship only two years earlier, i'm pretty sure you are hopeless.
What will be interesting is how many years it will take Hawthorn to be good again. It will also be interesting to see if they do what i think they will which is to go right to the bottom of the ladder for three years and do a proper rebuild (something which Collingwood fans would never tolerate but which worked really well for the Hawks in the 03-06 period).
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Lone Ranger
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
Location: Macedon Ranges
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| If there was any possibility of getting Clarko, would do it in a heartbeat |
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