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inxs88
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Nathan is nothing but a grubby, societal ill and stinky gambling proponent who thinks that if he adds the "gamble responsibly" adjunct post his spiel, all shall be fine!
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inxs88
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| 3rd degree wrote: | | MarkOSuv wrote: | Our recruiting since 2012 has been very hard to work out.
We traded Wellingham and Dawes out in a comprimised period of the draft.
Are we rebuilding? Are we challenging?
It's a state of mixed signals. |
In fairness on these two Wellingham got us Grundy and Dawes did nothing at melbourne and we still have Broomhead who is still developing and when fit could give us something. |
we got Ramsay as "part of the deal" with a few picks shuffled.
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| MarkOSuv wrote: | | GoWoodsmen wrote: |
That recruitment everyone is criticising has brought in Treloar, Adams, Howe amongst others. I'll take those thanks. White is s scapegoat for many but he's going OK. Some people talk like a recruit has to be in the top 10 players in the league for it to be a success. Ridiculous. |
To get Adams, the club gave away Heath Shaw who is now a dual AA player for GWS.
To get Treloar, the team handed over two 7 picks in the draft.
Our list management has been very poor for years. |
no one expected the 2016 pick to be number 7, wasn't it rumored that GWS felt so bad about the Treloar deal that they basically gifted us WHE as compensation?
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MarkOSuv
Joined: 22 Mar 2017
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| Giving over a 2nd Round Pick is not gifted. |
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MJ23
Joined: 28 Feb 2011
Location: Sydney
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| MarkOSuv wrote: | | GoWoodsmen wrote: |
That recruitment everyone is criticising has brought in Treloar, Adams, Howe amongst others. I'll take those thanks. White is s scapegoat for many but he's going OK. Some people talk like a recruit has to be in the top 10 players in the league for it to be a success. Ridiculous. |
To get Adams, the club gave away Heath Shaw who is now a dual AA player for GWS.
To get Treloar, the team handed over two 7 picks in the draft.
Our list management has been very poor for years. |
Shaw would have been lucky to have played two more years - his trade sorted him out. We get a Vice captain midfield grunt who is now an A grade player and will be after Shaw has finished.
Cant fault Treloar's output
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MJ23
Joined: 28 Feb 2011
Location: Sydney
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| MarkOSuv wrote: | | GoWoodsmen wrote: |
That recruitment everyone is criticising has brought in Treloar, Adams, Howe amongst others. I'll take those thanks. White is s scapegoat for many but he's going OK. Some people talk like a recruit has to be in the top 10 players in the league for it to be a success. Ridiculous. |
To get Adams, the club gave away Heath Shaw who is now a dual AA player for GWS.
To get Treloar, the team handed over two 7 picks in the draft.
Our list management has been very poor for years. |
Shaw would have been lucky to have played two more years - his trade sorted him out. We get a Vice captain midfield grunt who is now an A grade player and will be after Shaw has finished.
Cant fault Treloar's output
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MJ23
Joined: 28 Feb 2011
Location: Sydney
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| Post subject: Re: Nathan Brown on Collingwood's recruiting strategy | |
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| BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | MarkOSuv wrote: | https://twitter.com/sunfootyshow/status/848361947699453952
Think he has some valid points. |
Total crap from someone outside the club who doesn't know what he's talking about. These are the players we picked up in the draft:
McLarty - future CHB
Callum Brown - contested inside mid
Kirby - crumbing forward
Josh Daicos - crumbing forward
McCarthy - future ruck/ CHF
Lynch - future ruck
Mackie - running half back
The above are 18/19 year olds who are the actual future of the club who complement the Treloar's, Adams and Maynards ( who Nathan Brown doesn't mention)
Now we get to the recycled players who we brought in to replace the experienced players who moved on (Swan, Cloke, Toovey, Macaffer etc):
Wells - hasn't hit the field yet; how can you comment?
Mayne - started slowly; wait a few more games before commenting
Dunn - Schade is keeping him out of the side
Schade - holding down a key position; no worse than Frost or Brown
WHE - not really a recycled player; not his fault we lost the first 2 games |
+1
All of a sudden we are not allowed to recruit depth. No-one questioned GWS when they bought in Hunt, Patfull and even Stevie J. We have a young list, they need the support. Free agents cost us nothing but money and if they r front ended they are no medium / long term risk
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roar
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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| stui magpie wrote: | | The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | Bet you wouldn't say that to his face lmao... you intellectual giant you
edit: lmfao |
You'd lose.
Not that you would find that a new experience in a battle of wits. |
Lol. Onya stui!
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derkd
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| Post subject: Re: Nathan Brown on Collingwood's recruiting strategy | |
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I don't like Nathan Brown, but to play devils advocate for a moment. Purely on what he says he has a point.....We are 0-2 (started badly) Wells has not played a game he is 32 - $500,000 a year on a 3 or 4 year deal...if we are not going to be contending at the top end....he is a waste of money...and time...he sits out his last few years at a club that sits around 9 -12 on the ladder.
Mayne, I have less of an issue with his age.... It is if he can re-find his form.
BucksisFuture...nothing against you at all mate.... But of the players you listed (and this is not to say thay won't be good players)...but as we stand here now we have alot of kids who are untested and seniors who have not fired a shot:
| BucksIsFutureCoach wrote: | | MarkOSuv wrote: | https://twitter.com/sunfootyshow/status/848361947699453952
Think he has some valid points. |
Total crap from someone outside the club who doesn't know what he's talking about. These are the players we picked up in the draft:
McLarty - future CHB - Unknown quaility is yet to play a single senior game (look at Sier went around the same pick?..yet to play a game) ...
Callum Brown - contested inside mid - As above
Kirby - crumbing forward - As above
Josh Daicos - crumbing forward - As above
McCarthy - future ruck/ CHF - As above
Lynch - future ruck - As above
Mackie - running half back - As above
The above are 18/19 year olds who are the actual future of the club who complement the Treloar's, Adams and Maynards ( who Nathan Brown doesn't mention)
Now we get to the recycled players who we brought in to replace the experienced players who moved on (Swan, Cloke, Toovey, Macaffer etc):
Wells - hasn't hit the field yet; how can you comment? - True, but the fact he has yet to play a game is a worry in itself.
Mayne - started slowly; wait a few more games before commenting - Agree
Dunn - Schade is keeping him out of the side - Agree, could still yet prove to be valuble
Schade - holding down a key position; no worse than Frost or Brown - True, then agains Frost and Brown were hardly setting the world on fire last year either.
WHE - not really a recycled player; not his fault we lost the first 2 games - Been our best pick up last year by a mile...I accept the fact it is only round 2. |
My point would be, again as Devils advocate, I am not really arguing with Brown because as a club we can't...if things continue as they have so far our off-season recruiting has not worked. 0-2......Club wants positive press....well they need to find a way to start getting wins....Until that happens as a support I accept the arrows and barbs of the press....
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Culprit 
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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Seth
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Sorry but some of you live in fantasy land. Our recruiting over the last 5 years has been nothing short of embarrassing. We have the most players under 183cm tall then any other club yet we keep recruiting midgets and in a year when we knew we were going to lose Cloke we go after an injury prone midfielder who still hasn't and doesn't even look like hitting the park (Wells by the way). But oh yes we can all live in hope he will be a star.
We have a kid holding up a forward line and is now the go to player (Moore by the way). This kid has no-one to help him, no-one who he can get tips from, no-one to show him running patterns and proper ways to run the forward lines.
We have a coach who have overseen this recruitment and brought in so so players to try and save his own skin and job to maybe make finals so he can get an extension to his contract. This coach never has a plan B and never willing to take a risk and swap things around. Blair still keeps getting a game and maybe lets see what happens if we swing Howe into the forward line, of course as he is the only player holding up the backline.
Our once great club is now a laughing stock with no backline, no forward line but the best midfield in the comp but how is that going for us. No use having a bunch of fast running midgets if there is no one to take a mark. Half of these midgets can't even hit the side of a barn anyway.
We are in for a world of pain. One of the great sporting quotes - "if you always do what you've always done, you will always get what you've always got". |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Yes Seth
My great criticism of Shaw was that he fielded a side of midgets.
I must have been scared by midgets in my past life.
Might explain my angst with Blair.
Big, strong, fast, aggressive and skilled is what you want
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Stinger
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: Canberra
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| Seth wrote: | Sorry but some of you live in fantasy land. Our recruiting over the last 5 years has been nothing short of embarrassing. We have the most players under 183cm tall then any other club yet we keep recruiting midgets and in a year when we knew we were going to lose Cloke we go after an injury prone midfielder who still hasn't and doesn't even look like hitting the park (Wells by the way). But oh yes we can all live in hope he will be a star.
We have a kid holding up a forward line and is now the go to player (Moore by the way). This kid has no-one to help him, no-one who he can get tips from, no-one to show him running patterns and proper ways to run the forward lines.
We have a coach who have overseen this recruitment and brought in so so players to try and save his own skin and job to maybe make finals so he can get an extension to his contract. This coach never has a plan B and never willing to take a risk and swap things around. Blair still keeps getting a game and maybe lets see what happens if we swing Howe into the forward line, of course as he is the only player holding up the backline.
Our once great club is now a laughing stock with no backline, no forward line but the best midfield in the comp but how is that going for us. No use having a bunch of fast running midgets if there is no one to take a mark. Half of these midgets can't even hit the side of a barn anyway.
We are in for a world of pain. One of the great sporting quotes - "if you always do what you've always done, you will always get what you've always got". |
So please highlight for us all the KPP's that were available to recruit via free agency or available to us in the draft? |
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MarkOSuv
Joined: 22 Mar 2017
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| Derek Hine IMV is a very poor List Manager and Recruiter. |
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inxs88
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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| MarkOSuv wrote: | | Derek Hine IMV is a very poor List Manager and Recruiter. |
If you want to feel better go back and check Gerard Sholly and Noel Judkin's records. 9/11 esque!
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