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think positive Libra

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:43 pm
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I barley download any Movies and TV Shows at the Moment. Most Video's I download are off Youtube.

I also just buy my DVD's from Cash Conveters and 2nd Hand Stores Now

Movie Tickets just keep getting more Expensive so make it Harder to Justify going to the Theatre to Watch a Movie.

Companies need to Adapt and not Just Refuse to catch up with Technology and Just Blame Piracy for Everything that does not go right for the Movie


It's either Cashies or eBay for me, sometimes if I am given DVDs I already have I trade them in at this movie store in Glenorchy. Though they are selling a lot of movies for 2 dollars there so I am not sure I am going to get much value for the ones I have to trade in this time around. But it's worth a shot to see what I can get and get rid of a few.


I picked up season 1-4 of heroes and season 1-4 of arrow on eBay this morning for a total of $9.50, pick up from werribee. I've nearly finished Hawaii 5 O so I need something for the gym!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:20 pm
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That reminds me of a related question that few of us would ever consider: is selling and buying DVDs secondhand a technical breach of copyright restrictions (or, at least, would they be if distributors got their way)? I'm pretty sure the copyright warnings at the beginning of DVDs prohibit unauthorised reselling.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:35 pm
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David wrote:
That reminds me of a related question that few of us would ever consider: is selling and buying DVDs secondhand a technical breach of copyright restrictions (or, at least, would they be if distributors got their way)? I'm pretty sure the copyright warnings at the beginning of DVDs prohibit unauthorised reselling.
It is illegal. So was taping records many years ago. Again a cost benefit analysis on taking someone to court in Australia would deem the associated costs involved and at the end of the day you would have no real benefit would result in the decision to make it not viable.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:14 pm
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So then Shops like Cash Converters are Bracking the Law then?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:56 pm
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https://torrentfreak.com/sxsw-2017-on-bittorrent-7-86-gb-of-free-music-170318/
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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:33 pm
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Culprit wrote:
David wrote:
That reminds me of a related question that few of us would ever consider: is selling and buying DVDs secondhand a technical breach of copyright restrictions (or, at least, would they be if distributors got their way)? I'm pretty sure the copyright warnings at the beginning of DVDs prohibit unauthorised reselling.
It is illegal. So was taping records many years ago. Again a cost benefit analysis on taking someone to court in Australia would deem the associated costs involved and at the end of the day you would have no real benefit would result in the decision to make it not viable.


it's not illegal to re-sell second hand copyrighted material provided it was created and acquired legally.

If you make a copy of it, you are required to keep the original and not sell it.

In the US they have a first sale law that once you buy something, the copyright is done.

So you can legally sell second hand DVD's, CD's, and books.

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David Libra

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:37 pm
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This is the relevant law (in the US, but presumably we have a similar one in place here):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

Some interesting history there.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:26 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
Culprit wrote:
David wrote:
That reminds me of a related question that few of us would ever consider: is selling and buying DVDs secondhand a technical breach of copyright restrictions (or, at least, would they be if distributors got their way)? I'm pretty sure the copyright warnings at the beginning of DVDs prohibit unauthorised reselling.
It is illegal. So was taping records many years ago. Again a cost benefit analysis on taking someone to court in Australia would deem the associated costs involved and at the end of the day you would have no real benefit would result in the decision to make it not viable.


it's not illegal to re-sell second hand copyrighted material provided it was created and acquired legally.

If you make a copy of it, you are required to keep the original and not sell it.

In the US they have a first sale law that once you buy something, the copyright is done.

So you can legally sell second hand DVD's, CD's, and books.


I don't think you can make a Back-Up without Permission. Which is Plain Stupid.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:07 pm
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^

Fair use allows you to copy music onto a digital device, provided you keep the original CD. Not sure about DVD's

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:28 pm
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Yes, it extends to DVDs - it does NOT extend to games. Why, no one knows.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:57 pm
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I am sure they closed the Pirate Bay. Hmmm Obviously not. Very Happy
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David wrote:
This is the relevant law (in the US, but presumably we have a similar one in place here):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

Some interesting history there.


Not really. http://www.copyright.org.au/acc_prod/ACC/Information_Sheets/Selling_Copyright_Material.aspx?WebsiteKey=8a471e74-3f78-4994-9023-316f0ecef4ef

Starting point is different

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think positive Libra

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:46 pm
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Dave The Man wrote:
Skids wrote:
Dave The Man wrote:
Skids wrote:
What do you download?

Why? What do you do with it?


That is just 3 Stupid Questions


Why? I don't download much, a bit of music on my phone, that's it.

And don't call me stupid ya bully Shocked


Sorry. Did not read it right

I just do what Normal people do on the Internet. Stuff I look at to possibly download are Retro Video Games,AFL,Porn,Wrestling and Other Sports



Hmmm ok then

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:26 pm
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Now now Jo, we all know about your collection of Bruce Willis movies. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:24 pm
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David wrote:
Now now Jo, we all know about your collection of Bruce Willis movies. Wink


Hehehe I actually Lol then!

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