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David 
I dare you to try
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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Mugwump
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| swoop42 wrote: | Douches can be found on all sides of politics especially so at the extreme left or right and while I have no time for thuggery when trying to protest and make a point there still is a clear distinction between the parties.
One is marching to protest racism and division while the other is marching to champion it and adds nothing of value to the world.
Free speech is important and people are entitled to associate with like-minded individuals if they so wish but when you elect take it public, form groups, preach intolerance and instill fear within a section of the community don't be surprised if a majority are appalled, look to stare you down and hold you to account by words and actions.
If we fail to do this as a society then we'll repeat the mistakes of our past and allow an environment where hate groups are allowed to form and prosper like we saw with the KKK or Nazi party. |
History is not made better by the street brawlers of either side, as Weimar showed. They only embolden extremes. It is made better by cautious, sensible people who uphold the law, argue for change where required, ignore the mad ideologues, and laugh at the self-regard of the far right and the far-left. As for the underlying "niceness of the cause" justifying behaviour, well, Christianity is supposedly founded on love ; I do not think much of the so-called Christians who heckle young women at the abortionist either. Look at what people do, and most importantly whether they have a sense that aspects of their views could be wrong, and aspects of others' views could be right, to find out who is worthy of respect. I prefer the ideology of the Leftists over the Nazis in Charlottesville, but that is rather like having a preference for congestive heart failure over Ebola. A plague on both their houses.
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Pies4shaw 
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| Wokko wrote: | | So all the Never Trumpers and those he made look like tools during the primaries are stacking on. You don't seem to really understand US politics at all, just parrot whatever crap the leftard Guardian tells you. |
Is the Guardian publishing as the Australian, the ABC and the Washington Post, now, too? |
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Pies4shaw
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Wokko 
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7 more years. |
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David
I dare you to try
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I really doubt impeachment will happen, but it'll be interesting to see what happens at the next election. Ordinarily you'd bet on the incumbent, but Trump is achieving none of his agenda and turning the presidency into a farce. Expect a Reagan-style Republican insurgency in the primaries, at the very least.
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Wokko
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Trump has achieved plenty of his agenda and is continuing to *shock* do what he said he was going to do. On healthcare the Republican reps have shit the bed after having 7 years to come up with a plan, the wall is funded, he had his pick of Supreme Court justice confirmed.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-trump-has-done/
If you believe Trump's base won't come out if the Republicans attempt to primary him you've got another think coming and unless the Democrats can find political talent and a coherent message under a rock somewhere then they've got no chance. |
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David
I dare you to try
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I think the dislike of Trump is such that any Democratic candidate will stand at least a chance against him. The only way I could see them losing is by putting up someone deeply unpopular and ineffective (they do have something of a track record of doing this – see Kerry, John).
I do think Trump will have to struggle through a tough primary to begin with, though. Yes, his base will come out; but a lot of the Republican base have never accepted him and many more will be disillusioned with his performance. That could be enough if a strong single alternative emerges; if, on the other hand, you get another dozen opportunists vying to take him on like last time, forget it. Either way, his incumbency should be enough to swing it for him, but have no doubt that there will be a strong challenge.
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Yep, the Democrats sure hate Trump.
I don't think they've been as angry since Lincoln took their slaves away. |
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David
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What's your point? The vast majority of those old south Democrats would be voting for Trump today, of course.
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Simply a reminder that the party of slavery, white supremacy, the KKK and segregation was traditionally the Democrats.
E.g. check out Al Gore Snrs. voting record on the Civil Rights Act.
As such, the Dems = Tolerant, GOP = Racist binary the media runs with has a few holes in it. |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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I personally find it highly amusing that Trump has got so much backlash for basically stating the truth rather than saying what is politically correct.
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Pies4shaw
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| thesoretoothsayer wrote: | Simply a reminder that the party of slavery, white supremacy, the KKK and segregation was traditionally the Democrats.
E.g. check out Al Gore Snrs. voting record on the Civil Rights Act.
As such, the Dems = Tolerant, GOP = Racist binary the media runs with has a few holes in it. |
A little has changed in the last 150 years, of course. There was even, eg, a time when the ALP wasn't a party of capital.
However, no-one much cares about the Democrats. The question in the US is only ever whether the unacceptable racist Christian right can be kept out of office. It scarcely matters whether they have a rightist Republican or a rightist Democrat. |
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