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watt price tully Scorpio



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:06 pm
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In my view we need a new thread for post inauguration Trump.

Lets's deal with the facts (OMG)

1. Just about everyone says he's inauguration was smaller than both of Obama's except a few crackpots.

2. Trump says the media peddles lies & this is another one

3. Trump is caught lying (again)

The issue is not the numbers but (of course) the message, the don't trust the media which appeals to the right wing nutters & conspiracy theorists. It allows Trump to keep on lying & not allowing him to be held to scrutiny.

Paul McGeogh calls it nicely (won an Anzac daY medal in the wet some years ago I'm led to believe - well I read it in a tweet):

Alternative facts, fake news and Trump's war on mainstream media

Photographs and video analysis by crowd size experts, reported by The New York Times, suggests Trump's inauguration crowd was 160,000 - just a fraction of Trump's estimate of up to 1.5 million......

The experts estimate the 470,000 participated in the women's march in DC. And when attendance at similar marches in other US states are thrown in, the total protest is estimated to have included from one million to 2.6 million people.

That makes them the biggest protests since the Vietnam War; and in anyone's language, a passionate pushback to a new presidency

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http://www.theage.com.au/world/alternative-facts-fake-news-and-trumps-war-on-mainstream-media-20170122-gtwmdl.html

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:20 pm
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Honestly, this is pretty trivial, isn't it? I get that it's symptomatic of his mentality and war with facts, but Trump has already lied about so many things of so much more consequence.

All the stuff about crowd sizes in the last few days is almost as bad as the liberal gloating over the lack of celebrities at his inauguration, as if having Bono perform for you is an honour and not, say, deeply embarrassing.

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watt price tully Scorpio



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:44 pm
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David wrote:
Honestly, this is pretty trivial, isn't it? I get that it's symptomatic of his mentality and war with facts, but Trump has already lied about so many things of so much more consequence.

All the stuff about crowd sizes in the last few days is almost as bad as the liberal gloating over the lack of celebrities at his inauguration, as if having Bono perform for you is an honour and not, say, deeply embarrassing.


I don't think crowd sizes is the main game: the use of words such as Alternative facts, the lack of scrutiny, the idea of going for mainstream media while making the primacy of social media are the bigger issues from the reality TV exponent.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:11 pm
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Don't care.

this shit, along with the demonstrations, is just a sideshow.

All the petulant petals who are in denial that Trump is now POTUS, including many in mainstream US media, need to build a bridge.

The faux leftie "artists" who think that having a public profile and being paid obscene amounts of money to basically play make believe qualifies them to comment on social and political issues should refer to this flowchart.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:57 pm
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watt price tully wrote:
The experts estimate the 470,000 participated in the women's march in DC. And when attendance at similar marches in other US states are thrown in, the total protest is estimated to have included from one million to 2.6 million people.

That makes them the biggest protests since the Vietnam War; and in anyone's language, a passionate pushback to a new presidency


Wonder how many actually got of their butts and voted?

On another note that Madonna is a class act! Rolling Eyes

No wonder her kid wanted to stay with his old man!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:21 pm
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Rita Panahi nails it IMHO

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NO amount of marching, rioting, online activism or indulgence in paranoid fantasies is going to change the fact that Donald Trump is the 45th president of the United States.

Taking to the streets with hordes of like-minded malcontents and screeching incoherently about imagined grievances might make Trump’s democracy-denying detractors feel better, but he’ll still be the leader of the free world.

It’s clearly going to be a rough four years for the political and media class, and even rougher for the millions of “progressives” from New York to Melbourne struggling to cope with reality.

In the last 48 hours we’ve seen protests around the world, from rioters who smashed windows and heads on inauguration day to the Women’s Marches, the biggest of them in DC yesterday.

It says plenty about the vacuousness of modern feminism that it was the “plight” of privileged, empowered American women that drew them out.

There have been no marches for the women of Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Afghanistan and many other parts of the world where females are victims of a systematic, brutal and unrelenting subjugation.

Only a movement that is intellectually and morally bankrupt would ignore the plight of genuinely oppressed girls and women to throw a gargantuan public tantrum because their preferred candidate, Hillary Clinton, lost an election.

Melbourne’s feminists didn’t bother marching to protest against the growing problem of female genital mutilation, despite a report this month that girls as young as five months are subjected to the barbaric procedure.

The Australian paediatric surveillance unit’s study was barely acknowledged by vocal members of the sisterhood.

In the US, a star-studded line-up of virtue-signalling celebrities led hundreds of thousands marching against Mr Trump’s politics of “division and hate”.

Madonna, in a profanity-laced speech to the huge Washington crowd, said she had “thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House”. To call her speech pitiful would be a kindness.

Actor Ashley Judd likened Trump to Hitler before decrying the taxes imposed on feminine hygiene products — taxes that have been there throughout Barack Obama’s term.

The rallies have been called “democracy in action” but if the petulant demonstrators pulled their heads out of their collective backsides for a minute they might realise they’re the ones fanning the flames of division and hate.

Trump not only won the presidency but also secured the Republicans the Senate and the House of Representatives. Republicans now control a record number of state legislatures.

These are unpalatable facts for Leftists, but protests and public hissy fits won’t tip the balance of power in their favour.

If they want to counter Trump they must do better than enlist out-of-touch celebrities and activists to preach to the converted.

They need to stop allowing their movement to be taken over by the likes of Women’s March co-chair Linda Sarsour, whose main claim to fame is leading a successful campaign to close all New York City public schools on two Muslim holidays.

Sarsour is the type of feminist who defends Saudi Arabia and condemns the US. She has claimed that sharia law is “misunderstood” and has complained about “22 states” having “anti-sharia bills”.

The anti-Trump forces must also weed out their most violent and abusive members.

There were so many abusive tweets about Trump’s young son Barron after the inauguration that CNN anchor Jake Tapper implored people to stop the “odious, immoral and self-defeating” mockery of a child.

Can you imagine the reaction had Barack Obama’s daughters been subjected to such ugly invective?

The Left need to do better if they want to win back disillusioned voters.

They need to tackle the big issues that matter to ordinary people — like jobs and law and order — instead of being obsessed with gender-neutral toilets.

There’s more to America than California and New York.

Labelling your political opponents racist, sexist, Islamophobic, transphobic and bigoted might be fun, but it no longer works. The Left has overused and misused those slurs so much they have lost all impact.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/the-left-must-change-course-in-the-trump-era-and-do-more-than-march-for-womens-rights/news-story/d3019d5bf5ed3789b5228097eee65ae5

I also agree with Tannin and Mugwump, calling this current crop of numbats "left" is disrespectful to the people who wore that label through most of the 20th century

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:26 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
Don't care.

this shit, along with the demonstrations, is just a sideshow.

All the petulant petals who are in denial that Trump is now POTUS, including many in mainstream US media, need to build a bridge.

The faux leftie "artists" who think that having a public profile and being paid obscene amounts of money to basically play make believe qualifies them to comment on social and political issues should refer to this flowchart.



I may use that flow chart many times over the next 4 years...
Thanks Stui.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:41 pm
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All good mate, feel free.

the cognitive dissonance is strong though. don't expect to change many minds but have fun watching their brains explode. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:09 pm
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I don't get why they keep comparing Trump's turn out against Obama's.

Obama was the first afro-american president so his inauguration had some historical significance. Not sure that the first orange president counts, plus the weather forecast was for rain.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:14 pm
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Bucks5 wrote:
I don't get why they keep comparing Trump's turn out against Obama's.

Obama was the first afro-american president so his inauguration had some historical significance. Not sure that the first orange president counts, plus the weather forecast was for rain.


Plus plenty of people couldn't actually get to it because of the protesters

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:27 pm
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In other news, a bill was introduced to Congress earlier this month which, if passed, will see the USA puling out of the UN.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/193/text

Worth watching the progress of this one.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:29 pm
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Bucks5 wrote:
I don't get why they keep comparing Trump's turn out against Obama's.

Obama was the first afro-american president so his inauguration had some historical significance. Not sure that the first orange president counts, plus the weather forecast was for rain.

He could also read and write and speak more or less cogently, so there was probably a degree of general interest in hearing what he had to say. The present ordinary, common or garden real-estate developer member of the ruling class, born into massive wealth, not so much.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:07 pm
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Mountains Magpie wrote:
In other news, a bill was introduced to Congress earlier this month which, if passed, will see the USA puling out of the UN.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/193/text

Worth watching the progress of this one.

MM


Good I hope they do and we should as well biggest con of an organisation ever!

They started out with ideals but have increasingly become an ineffectual corrupt waste of money!

How can anyone possibly think they are not corrupt when in 2016 they elected Saudi Arabia to a 3-year term on the UN Human Rights Council!!!

I agree with Trump club for people ( IMHO hangers on and social wannabes) to have a good time - piss them off they cause more issues than they ever solve and waste squillions of dollars that could be much better spent Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:12 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
Bucks5 wrote:
I don't get why they keep comparing Trump's turn out against Obama's.

Obama was the first afro-american president so his inauguration had some historical significance. Not sure that the first orange president counts, plus the weather forecast was for rain.


Plus plenty of people couldn't actually get to it because of the protesters


And parking around there is non existent

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:15 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
Rita Panahi nails it IMHO

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So you do care after all Wink Razz

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