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watt price tully 
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Looks like Trump has a trifecta of own goals with it seems more to come
1. Sessions for lying to the house
2. Spence for using personal emails (what goes around...)and now
3. The son in law looks like he met with those pesky Ruskies ( must have been before he was going to solve the mid -east crisis)
http://www.theage.com.au/world/more-donald-trump-officials-met-with-russian-envoy-sergei-kislyak-20170302-guppa5.html
Bloody mainstream media.
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| I am glad we have something (bookended by two baboons will help his reputation) in common, [b]Maybe the problem. |
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swoop42 
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While I'm no supporter of Trump I do get the frustration of how many media outlets and journalists make headlines by examining the minutia of someones actions or words.
It's become particularly bad in this country over the last decade and to many journalists are looking to create news instead of just reporting on anything that is genuinely newsworthy.
It's not healthy for society and democracy IMO and not only leads to politicians speaking in dull cliques to scared to speak freely it gives to much power to the vocal minority of the professionally outraged on social media and the voice of the many gets drowned out.
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stui magpie 
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| swoop42 wrote: | While I'm no supporter of Trump I do get the frustration of how many media outlets and journalists make headlines by examining the minutia of someones actions or words.
It's become particularly bad in this country over the last decade and to many journalists are looking to create news instead of just reporting on anything that is genuinely newsworthy.
It's not healthy for society and democracy IMO and not only leads to politicians speaking in dull cliques to scared to speak freely it gives to much power to the vocal minority of the professionally outraged on social media and the voice of the many gets drowned out. |
Quoted as a great comment IMHO.
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watt price tully
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| swoop42 wrote: | While I'm no supporter of Trump I do get the frustration of how many media outlets and journalists make headlines by examining the minutia of someones actions or words.
It's become particularly bad in this country over the last decade and to many journalists are looking to create news instead of just reporting on anything that is genuinely newsworthy.
It's not healthy for society and democracy IMO and not only leads to politicians speaking in dull cliques to scared to speak freely it gives to much power to the vocal minority of the professionally outraged on social media and the voice of the many gets drowned out. |
While what you say might be true what's that got to do with Trump currently?
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Mugwump
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| stui magpie wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | While I'm no supporter of Trump I do get the frustration of how many media outlets and journalists make headlines by examining the minutia of someones actions or words.
It's become particularly bad in this country over the last decade and to many journalists are looking to create news instead of just reporting on anything that is genuinely newsworthy.
It's not healthy for society and democracy IMO and not only leads to politicians speaking in dull cliques to scared to speak freely it gives to much power to the vocal minority of the professionally outraged on social media and the voice of the many gets drowned out. |
Quoted as a great comment IMHO. |
Agreed - the cyberage is an era where what people say seems slightly more important than what they do. If you kiss all of the right causes in words, you can achieve "the glow" without any personal sacrifice at all - while intimidating those who actually fearlessly think.
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Awesome, we all agree on something! The media have a lot to answer for.
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watt price tully
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Sessions revelations much more than with hunt claim by Trump
"...After losing one high-profile appointee to the tumult over the Trump campaign's Russian connections, the US President was determined not to lose another.
And so it was that on Thursday Republicans circled the wagons around Attorney-General Jeff Sessions, but only after he bowed to advice from Justice Department ethics officers that he recuse himself from all his department's investigations of Russian interference in the 2016 election, particularly that by the FBI...."
http://www.theage.com.au/world/jeff-sessions-revelations-much-more-than-witch-hunt-claimed-by-donald-trump-20170303-guq5hp.html
This needs an independent investigation.
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Mugwump
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| watt price tully wrote: | Sessions revelations much more than with hunt claim by Trump
"...After losing one high-profile appointee to the tumult over the Trump campaign's Russian connections, the US President was determined not to lose another.
And so it was that on Thursday Republicans circled the wagons around Attorney-General Jeff Sessions, but only after he bowed to advice from Justice Department ethics officers that he recuse himself from all his department's investigations of Russian interference in the 2016 election, particularly that by the FBI...."
http://www.theage.com.au/world/jeff-sessions-revelations-much-more-than-witch-hunt-claimed-by-donald-trump-20170303-guq5hp.html
This needs an independent investigation. |
Yep, pass me the popcorn. This presidency is like Disneyland in Gotham.
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stui magpie
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| watt price tully wrote: | | swoop42 wrote: | While I'm no supporter of Trump I do get the frustration of how many media outlets and journalists make headlines by examining the minutia of someones actions or words.
It's become particularly bad in this country over the last decade and to many journalists are looking to create news instead of just reporting on anything that is genuinely newsworthy.
It's not healthy for society and democracy IMO and not only leads to politicians speaking in dull cliques to scared to speak freely it gives to much power to the vocal minority of the professionally outraged on social media and the voice of the many gets drowned out. |
While what you say might be true whats that got to do with Trump currently? |
Trump has certainly put a spotlight on the media and their biases, they no longer report the news. Editorials and opinions pieces used to be labelled as such, now the reporting is not meant to inform but to persuade
Bloke I listened to today made a few good points.
The Daily Show had more fact checkers than CNN. CNN is apparently fixing that.
People protesting against Trump are being dumb. People power in Eqypt deposed a dictator because the people stood up against him, but because the only thing they stood for was "against", they didn't stand "for" anything, the whole country turned back to shit again. Don't protest against Trump, protest for something. You don't like his migration policy, make a stand for inclusiveness and tolerance.
Choose the vision of the future you want and stand for that. Just wanting a future without Trump as POTUS fixes the symptom not the illness. Once he's gone, what then? back to the same gridlock with nothing getting done?
I forget the other points. The margarita I had at Crown after the conference was truly excellent.
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stui magpie
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Interesting article.
| Quote: | EVER wondered what Vladimir Putin is up to infiltrating the US elections? Surprisingly, there is an answer to that.
In 1997, a Russian political scientist named Aleksandr Dugin and a serving Russian General named Nikolai Klokotov sat down and wrote a text that would become the foundation of Russian geopolitical strategy over the next 20 years. It was called Foundations of Geopolitics and it was all about how Russia could reassert itself in the world.
Chillingly, the book now reads like a to-do list for Putins behaviour on the world stage. |
http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/1990s-manifesto-outlining-russias-plans-is-starting-to-come-true/news-story/343a27c71077b87668f1aa783d03032c
I don't know how accurate it is, but it's interesting
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watt price tully
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| Mugwump wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | Sessions revelations much more than with hunt claim by Trump
"...After losing one high-profile appointee to the tumult over the Trump campaign's Russian connections, the US President was determined not to lose another.
And so it was that on Thursday Republicans circled the wagons around Attorney-General Jeff Sessions, but only after he bowed to advice from Justice Department ethics officers that he recuse himself from all his department's investigations of Russian interference in the 2016 election, particularly that by the FBI...."
http://www.theage.com.au/world/jeff-sessions-revelations-much-more-than-witch-hunt-claimed-by-donald-trump-20170303-guq5hp.html
This needs an independent investigation. |
Yep, pass me the popcorn. This presidency is like Disneyland in Gotham. |
If only Jon Stewart was back
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David
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| stui magpie wrote: | Interesting article.
| Quote: | EVER wondered what Vladimir Putin is up to infiltrating the US elections? Surprisingly, there is an answer to that.
In 1997, a Russian political scientist named Aleksandr Dugin and a serving Russian General named Nikolai Klokotov sat down and wrote a text that would become the foundation of Russian geopolitical strategy over the next 20 years. It was called Foundations of Geopolitics and it was all about how Russia could reassert itself in the world.
Chillingly, the book now reads like a to-do list for Putins behaviour on the world stage. |
http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/1990s-manifesto-outlining-russias-plans-is-starting-to-come-true/news-story/343a27c71077b87668f1aa783d03032c
I don't know how accurate it is, but it's interesting |
That is indeed interesting. Certainly seems plausible given Russia's activities in Europe and the US (funding both far-left and far-right movements).
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| stui magpie wrote: | Trump has certainly put a spotlight on the media and their biases, they no longer report the news. Editorials and opinions pieces used to be labelled as such, now the reporting is not meant to inform but to persuade
Bloke I listened to today made a few good points.
The Daily Show had more fact checkers than CNN. CNN is apparently fixing that. |
I think we need to be careful not to conflate different kinds of mainstream media providers, as Trump and his supporters tend to do.
When people say they don't trust the commercial mainstream media, I totally understand that. Tune into a random episode of Media Watch and see the rubbish that gets shown on, for instance, Channel 7 News or A Current Affair, or printed in the Herald Sun poorly fact-checked pieces, sensationalism, barely-disguised advertorials, entire stories lifted from press releases, prurient reportage of sex crimes, vulture-like journalists reporting from helicopters over the homes of grieving parents, celebrity gossip, little if any coverage of world news ... one could go on forever. That stuff has been happening for years, and the 24 hour news cycle has only made things worse, with poorly-paid, overworked journalists in even more of a rush to report things first before their competitors get to it and often missing out on facts or nuance along the way.
CNN is basically the king of that kind of media. It's like Channel 7 News on steroids. It's everything that's bad about that kind of TV journalism but with added incidental music, graphics, brainless talking heads and endless triviality. Politically speaking, it's absolutely conservative, which is to say that its only goal is to preserve the status quo and ensure viewers are never pushed out of their comfort zones. It really says a lot about Trump and his hatred of accountability that he sees something as ineffective and brainless as an enemy.
Some of his other targets hail from a totally different end of the media spectrum. The New York Times, the Washington Post and the BBC emerge from a much older, more idealistic concept of journalism. These are outlets where journalistic integrity and fact-checking are still valued highly, and where the respect with which they are held in the profession is well-earned kind of like the Age used to be before it went to shit. These outlets are not without their flaws, but they are still among the best hard news outlets in the world. If you've given up on them, you may as well give up on journalism as a force for good altogether.
Where Trump is right is that those two American newspapers do emerge from a liberal ideological tradition and have pushed a very hard editorial line against him over the past 18 months (and will undoubtedly continue to do so for the rest of his administration). That doesn't mean that they no longer practise high journalistic standards; it simply means that they are exercising their right, as the Murdoch tabloids more blatantly do here and newspapers have always done in one form or other, of pushing a political agenda.
What Trump gets very wrong is that this is something that the American people should be alarmed by. A media that goes after a government aggressively is doing precisely what it should do; that's what makes governments accountable. America would be a much weaker democracy right now if it didn't have quality media outlets like the New York Times holding the Trump administration to account. This is something that, thankfully, at least a few politicians on the right both here in the US still appreciate and have been happy to say over the past few weeks.
Hearing the far-right talk about the 'mainstream media' is like hearing a member of the Socialist Alternative talk about the Greens, Labor and the Liberal Party: they make it sound like everything that doesn't reflect their world-view (in the case of Trump supporters, that's the often fact-free and poorly researched far-right alt-media) is all part of one homogenous, corrupt system.
Let's not allow the sins of the trash commercial media to cast all journalism as useless. Good journalism still exists, and we need it now more than ever.
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So apparently Obama tapped the tower befor the election, oh boy this is popcorn stuff!
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