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qldmagpie67
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Yesterday I had lunch with a friend who also happens to be a former AFL coach and he made some interesting comments about our club and team
Firstly he stated he actually liked the additions of Wells and Dunn particularly for what they bring (in theroy) to the side. He thought Dunn would be a huge get as he is a very good backline general in the Maxy mold as in not being the best player but being very vocal and happy to do the ugly things for the team. He said if we get 15-20 games a season from Wells he will have a huge impact on our ball movement in a positive way. He said he brings the skills and experience we have lacked the past couple years leaving to much on the skippers back to carry. He said he thought having Varcoe Wells Pendlebury all able to work off the half back line freeing up our younger runners through the middle would allow us kick ball movement but more importantly they have the skills to hurt opposition.
He said we needed to address our forward line structure as a matter of urgency. He said we can't play Moore one out he would get bashed by big bodied defenders. He said he believed we had to play a very mobile forward line with players not actually lining up in a traditional structure but be more daring and use our abundance of midfielders to exploit slower defenders. He said starting the likes of White or WHE or Howe on a wing using there leaps and running could unsettle sides.
He didn't think Cox was the answer to our forward line issues. Thought he was to cumbersome and slow to be effective to our style of quick movement.
He said he would play either Reid or Keefe forward with Moore as we needed quick forwards to take advantage of quick ball movement
He thought Sidey and DeGoey should play mainly as small forwards as they both have good goal sense
He didn't think Mayne was a lock in our side as other than his tackling he didn't bring enough goals which we need
He was very bullish about Grundy saying he thought if he can improve again on last season he would be a top 5 ruckman easily.
He also said he would like to see us have the ball in either Varcoe Pendles or Wells hands once we get to our defensive 50 as there superior skills and vision could open the field up. He also said both Pendles and Wells were top 5 last season for finding targets going into attacking 50 so we had to have them delivering the ball to our forwards.
He said the believed Elliott was a key to our forward line being able to kick a winning score. He said he plays that hybrid role very well and is near our best kick on goal.
Overall he said he thought if we don't get injuries to any of our best 12-15 players for any length of time we would be battling with 4-6 other clubs for position from 5 - 10 on the ladder. |
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| That'll pretty much do me for 2017, with a 5-8 finish pls. |
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Think if Mayne plays to his 2013 form rather than his 2016 form we have a first choice player in our forward line. Sometimes you just need to take risks with certain players given the lack of defensive pressure in the forward line in the past and the upside that Mayne offers us. Time will tell whether his recruitment is a success.
Reid is too much of a risk to play in the forward line again, but the move of Keeffe to the forward line is one change in the pipeline. White has been playing up the field as stated and Moore will have help in the forward line. As our forward line is a work in progress, I don't think anyone knows how successfully it will function until the start of the season, when we see how opposition sides line up defensively against us. |
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Lazza
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qldmagpie67, I reckon this coach was on the ball. Reading between the lines, we have to improve further to get to a top 4 position and meaningful finals instead of just making up the numbers. I feel that finishing 5 - 8 may be achievable on the conditions set down by him regarding injuries. However I remain more hopeful rather than fully convinced about this finish.
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qldmagpie67
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He was actually happy with our recruiting saying considering what was available we spread our cash around fairly smartly.
He didn't knock Mayne he just didn't think he brings the thing we need the most which is goals but he liked his tackling and experience.
He thought Wells could be a absolute gem for us for so many needs we had experience skills run. He thought the Wells injury theroy was over hyped as he had only really had 2 badly effected season in his career.
He was very upbeat about Moore said he had superstar written all over him but we had to ensure we didn't burden him with asking him to be our only forward target and getting him bashed around. He said he saw the potential of another Josh Fraser in the making if we're not careful with him
I specifically asked him about Bucks and his comments about not making finals means game over. He said he most likely did that to stop media speculation on contract extensions and to put the pressure squarely on his own shoulders and not the players.. He said it was obvious to everyone that if he doesn't get the team to finals he wouldn't be coaching.
He said he thought the club hadn't given Bucks a assistant who had been a experienced senior coach or long time assistant in a variety of clubs to help guide him. He thought that Eade hadn't been the right choice and Sanderson was ok but not experience do enough to really make a huge difference. He wasn't knocking him just said he didn't have the experience he would have been looking for for someone in Bucks position.
The one thing I forgot to put in the original post was his opinion on a few players so here goes
On Pendles he's a superstar but we can't purely rely on him every week to be everything
On Treloar potential is endless but needs to rectify his disposal and hit scoreboard more. Said he was a key to our chances this season
On White said his best is good but he doesn't do it often enough and this is his last chance really
On Grundy showed enough last season to suggest he is a top 5 ruckman. Loves his mobility and second & third efforts. Said if he gives our mids first use and clean use we are a long way to finals
On Sidey says he's a star but he needs to hit the scoreboard more. Thought he should play as small forward mostly
He said overall our list was good but not great and we had holes. Said we can't afford injuries to any of the above mentioned or we won't be playing finals |
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GoWoodsmen
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Fascinating stuff.... I think one little side not on Sidey is that if he were to play as a small forward rather than wing it would limit his "dinky" kicks that drive us all insane. He had some serious brain fades last year ... mostly at the worst time possible.
I still believe injuries are the key to our whole year - or more to the point who gets injured! Re-reading the year-end edition of Black and White and it really is stunning reading. By round 5 we had used 34 players. That is insane. Adelaide didn't even use that many for the whole year.
I'm way more cautious about how we'll go this year than last year. We shall see... as I always say!
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Injuries and who suffers them is always critical for every team.
The correlation everyone seems to accept between Reid's injuries and time spent forward seems nonsensical to me.
We have a lot of eggs in Grundy's basket.
If we get two injury free years out of Wells, we will have done very well, and are likely to be finals bound on the back of it.
Only one of White and Cox should be in the side at any given time. That being so, Mayne is crucial as a middling large forward.
The forward weapon that is not given enough weight to my mind is the Fasolo-Elliott combination. The fact that these two are both great marks as well as top ground players means that opposition backmen should be under extraordinary pressure when those two are there.
I think finals are likely, and a good performance once we get there is also likely.
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| qldmagpie67 wrote: | Yesterday I had lunch with a friend who also happens to be a former AFL coach and he made some interesting comments about our club and team
Firstly he stated he actually liked the additions of Wells and Dunn particularly for what they bring (in theroy) to the side. He thought Dunn would be a huge get as he is a very good backline general in the Maxy mold as in not being the best player but being very vocal and happy to do the ugly things for the team. He said if we get 15-20 games a season from Wells he will have a huge impact on our ball movement in a positive way. He said he brings the skills and experience we have lacked the past couple years leaving to much on the skippers back to carry. He said he thought having Varcoe Wells Pendlebury all able to work off the half back line freeing up our younger runners through the middle would allow us kick ball movement but more importantly they have the skills to hurt opposition.
He said we needed to address our forward line structure as a matter of urgency. He said we can't play Moore one out he would get bashed by big bodied defenders. He said he believed we had to play a very mobile forward line with players not actually lining up in a traditional structure but be more daring and use our abundance of midfielders to exploit slower defenders. He said starting the likes of White or WHE or Howe on a wing using there leaps and running could unsettle sides.
He didn't think Cox was the answer to our forward line issues. Thought he was to cumbersome and slow to be effective to our style of quick movement.
He said he would play either Reid or Keefe forward with Moore as we needed quick forwards to take advantage of quick ball movement
He thought Sidey and DeGoey should play mainly as small forwards as they both have good goal sense
He didn't think Mayne was a lock in our side as other than his tackling he didn't bring enough goals which we need
He was very bullish about Grundy saying he thought if he can improve again on last season he would be a top 5 ruckman easily.
He also said he would like to see us have the ball in either Varcoe Pendles or Wells hands once we get to our defensive 50 as there superior skills and vision could open the field up. He also said both Pendles and Wells were top 5 last season for finding targets going into attacking 50 so we had to have them delivering the ball to our forwards.
He said the believed Elliott was a key to our forward line being able to kick a winning score. He said he plays that hybrid role very well and is near our best kick on goal.
Overall he said he thought if we don't get injuries to any of our best 12-15 players for any length of time we would be battling with 4-6 other clubs for position from 5 - 10 on the ladder. |
What else did Bucks have to say? |
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: | Yesterday I had lunch with a friend who also happens to be a former AFL coach and he made some interesting comments about our club and team
Firstly he stated he actually liked the additions of Wells and Dunn particularly for what they bring (in theroy) to the side. He thought Dunn would be a huge get as he is a very good backline general in the Maxy mold as in not being the best player but being very vocal and happy to do the ugly things for the team. He said if we get 15-20 games a season from Wells he will have a huge impact on our ball movement in a positive way. He said he brings the skills and experience we have lacked the past couple years leaving to much on the skippers back to carry. He said he thought having Varcoe Wells Pendlebury all able to work off the half back line freeing up our younger runners through the middle would allow us kick ball movement but more importantly they have the skills to hurt opposition.
He said we needed to address our forward line structure as a matter of urgency. He said we can't play Moore one out he would get bashed by big bodied defenders. He said he believed we had to play a very mobile forward line with players not actually lining up in a traditional structure but be more daring and use our abundance of midfielders to exploit slower defenders. He said starting the likes of White or WHE or Howe on a wing using there leaps and running could unsettle sides.
He didn't think Cox was the answer to our forward line issues. Thought he was to cumbersome and slow to be effective to our style of quick movement.
He said he would play either Reid or Keefe forward with Moore as we needed quick forwards to take advantage of quick ball movement
He thought Sidey and DeGoey should play mainly as small forwards as they both have good goal sense
He didn't think Mayne was a lock in our side as other than his tackling he didn't bring enough goals which we need
He was very bullish about Grundy saying he thought if he can improve again on last season he would be a top 5 ruckman easily.
He also said he would like to see us have the ball in either Varcoe Pendles or Wells hands once we get to our defensive 50 as there superior skills and vision could open the field up. He also said both Pendles and Wells were top 5 last season for finding targets going into attacking 50 so we had to have them delivering the ball to our forwards.
He said the believed Elliott was a key to our forward line being able to kick a winning score. He said he plays that hybrid role very well and is near our best kick on goal.
Overall he said he thought if we don't get injuries to any of our best 12-15 players for any length of time we would be battling with 4-6 other clubs for position from 5 - 10 on the ladder. |
What else did Bucks have to say? |
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: | Yesterday I had lunch with a friend who also happens to be a former AFL coach and he made some interesting comments about our club and team
Firstly he stated he actually liked the additions of Wells and Dunn particularly for what they bring (in theroy) to the side. He thought Dunn would be a huge get as he is a very good backline general in the Maxy mold as in not being the best player but being very vocal and happy to do the ugly things for the team. He said if we get 15-20 games a season from Wells he will have a huge impact on our ball movement in a positive way. He said he brings the skills and experience we have lacked the past couple years leaving to much on the skippers back to carry. He said he thought having Varcoe Wells Pendlebury all able to work off the half back line freeing up our younger runners through the middle would allow us kick ball movement but more importantly they have the skills to hurt opposition.
He said we needed to address our forward line structure as a matter of urgency. He said we can't play Moore one out he would get bashed by big bodied defenders. He said he believed we had to play a very mobile forward line with players not actually lining up in a traditional structure but be more daring and use our abundance of midfielders to exploit slower defenders. He said starting the likes of White or WHE or Howe on a wing using there leaps and running could unsettle sides.
He didn't think Cox was the answer to our forward line issues. Thought he was to cumbersome and slow to be effective to our style of quick movement.
He said he would play either Reid or Keefe forward with Moore as we needed quick forwards to take advantage of quick ball movement
He thought Sidey and DeGoey should play mainly as small forwards as they both have good goal sense
He didn't think Mayne was a lock in our side as other than his tackling he didn't bring enough goals which we need
He was very bullish about Grundy saying he thought if he can improve again on last season he would be a top 5 ruckman easily.
He also said he would like to see us have the ball in either Varcoe Pendles or Wells hands once we get to our defensive 50 as there superior skills and vision could open the field up. He also said both Pendles and Wells were top 5 last season for finding targets going into attacking 50 so we had to have them delivering the ball to our forwards.
He said the believed Elliott was a key to our forward line being able to kick a winning score. He said he plays that hybrid role very well and is near our best kick on goal.
Overall he said he thought if we don't get injuries to any of our best 12-15 players for any length of time we would be battling with 4-6 other clubs for position from 5 - 10 on the ladder. |
What else did Bucks have to say? |
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| Cleomenes wrote: | | I think finals are likely, and a good performance once we get there is also likely. |
Extremely optimistic and positive attitude dude. 
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qldmagpie67
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: | Yesterday I had lunch with a friend who also happens to be a former AFL coach and he made some interesting comments about our club and team
Firstly he stated he actually liked the additions of Wells and Dunn particularly for what they bring (in theroy) to the side. He thought Dunn would be a huge get as he is a very good backline general in the Maxy mold as in not being the best player but being very vocal and happy to do the ugly things for the team. He said if we get 15-20 games a season from Wells he will have a huge impact on our ball movement in a positive way. He said he brings the skills and experience we have lacked the past couple years leaving to much on the skippers back to carry. He said he thought having Varcoe Wells Pendlebury all able to work off the half back line freeing up our younger runners through the middle would allow us kick ball movement but more importantly they have the skills to hurt opposition.
He said we needed to address our forward line structure as a matter of urgency. He said we can't play Moore one out he would get bashed by big bodied defenders. He said he believed we had to play a very mobile forward line with players not actually lining up in a traditional structure but be more daring and use our abundance of midfielders to exploit slower defenders. He said starting the likes of White or WHE or Howe on a wing using there leaps and running could unsettle sides.
He didn't think Cox was the answer to our forward line issues. Thought he was to cumbersome and slow to be effective to our style of quick movement.
He said he would play either Reid or Keefe forward with Moore as we needed quick forwards to take advantage of quick ball movement
He thought Sidey and DeGoey should play mainly as small forwards as they both have good goal sense
He didn't think Mayne was a lock in our side as other than his tackling he didn't bring enough goals which we need
He was very bullish about Grundy saying he thought if he can improve again on last season he would be a top 5 ruckman easily.
He also said he would like to see us have the ball in either Varcoe Pendles or Wells hands once we get to our defensive 50 as there superior skills and vision could open the field up. He also said both Pendles and Wells were top 5 last season for finding targets going into attacking 50 so we had to have them delivering the ball to our forwards.
He said the believed Elliott was a key to our forward line being able to kick a winning score. He said he plays that hybrid role very well and is near our best kick on goal.
Overall he said he thought if we don't get injuries to any of our best 12-15 players for any length of time we would be battling with 4-6 other clubs for position from 5 - 10 on the ladder. |
What else did Bucks have to say? |
Lol it want Bucks but I will give you initials
They are John Wren
If you scramble that name up rearrange the letters replace them with completely different letters add some more letters you will have a his name
Quite simple really |
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Damien 
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Great post. Lap up any footy news we can get at this time of year. Nothing in there that we don't already all know though. Lots of ifs buts and maybes. If we can get 25 goals each out of Moore Faz and Elliott and a dozen or so out of Coxy we'll go OK. I agree with the idea of Steele in the forward half. Got enough quality elsewhere to go thru the midfield. Steele could provide another 20 goals.
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Sidey is an elite gut runner. Would be wasted playing the projected Swanny role, and wouldn't touch it with Fasolo and Elliott up there anyway.
All the other points are ok but I think both Mayne and Cox will surprise.
What will be the crucial factor will be how well our guys play for each other -> if the relationships amongst the players have grown and they feel like they are valued then lots of things are possible. Fragmented like first half last year and the dream will be over by round 8.
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And back in Oct 2016 under thread 'Now for the next generation' I wrote that Reid should play up forward and some comments back my way said that I've got to be joking or isn't in touch with the game.
And I'm no former AFL coach either one thinks...
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