A moral dilemma

Tannin · Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:42 pm

Donald Trump disgusts me.

As a matter of personal honesty and decency, I would never agree with anything this slimeball says, or do anything the scumbag does. My Trump-era motto is - Just Say No.

I have found that to be an infallible guide to right action in every circumstance: work out what Trump would do and do the exact opposite.

Problem: does this mean I'm going to have to give up golden showers?

think positive · Side By Side Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere

Ewwwwwww

stui magpie · Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:54 pm

You can always have a pommie shower

keep in mind with your philosophy, trump doesn't drink alcohol. So when you get up in the morning and ask yourself, "Will I make a cup of tea or drink a bottle of scotch, what would Donald do" it could get messy.

swoop42 · Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:07 pm

You can always switch and add a Cleveland steamer to your repertoire.

stui magpie · Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:13 pm

^

I had to google that.

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww Shocked

HAL · Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:17 pm

What happened to it?

Tannin · Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:26 pm

I can take a hint. I am not, repeat not, going to google that.

Mountains Magpie · Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:56 pm

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Skids · Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:23 am

Donald Trump isn�t your President so your opinion of him is irrelevant.

Personally, I think it's fantastic that there's something new in the screwed up wirkd of politics and can't wait for Paulines party to rise as i know it will. The silent majority have had enough of the rhetorical Major parties and the next election can't come soon enough.

Tannin · Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:16 am

1: Corruption, cronyism, bigotry, and contempt for honesty or truth on this level isn't "something new", it's just been out of fashion in Western nations since 1945 when the last great exponent of these things died in a Berlin bunker.

2: Don't lie. Minority. Clear minority. Trump got 3,000,000 less votes than Clinton. millions upon millions more stayed away and didn't vote at all because the two candidates were so bad. If you can't get more votes than Clinton, one of the worst, least-electable presidential candidates of all time, you're not a popular movement, you're just one of the sad flukes of history.

Skids · Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:39 am

The popular vote argument is weak, due to Clinton's huge margin of victory in one state � California � where she got a whopping 4.3 million more votes than Trump.

Turnout at this election was 60.0% of eligible voters, up from 58.6% in 2012. This seems low, but we are talking about eligible voters, not registered or enrolled voters. Peter Brent says 82% of eligible Australians cast a formal vote at the recent Federal election, and this is under compulsory voting.

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It's not the popular vote that matters, it's the electoral vote. That was the voting system of the election and Trump campaigned in the states that would make a difference in him being President or not, rather than campaigning in a few select states such as California, New York and Illinois.

I'm certain Trump would have vigorously campaigned in those relevant states if the popular vote was implemented instead, and changed his campaign tactics from those he used in last year's election. What's to say that if Trump wasn't campaigning far heavily in California he would not have reduced the deficit of the total votes counted in that particular state, and others where he lost by relatively big margins.

Take California out of the equation, and he wins the popular vote anyway as Skids rightfully points out. I don't have an opinion on either system, as proponents for one or the other have valid arguments as to why one or the other should be the primary system to decide elections. I'm the first to agree that the Electoral College has some fundamental flaws such as the winner-takes-all system, when I think a proportional system of voting for each state would be better.

According to a 2013 poll, a majority of registered (approximately 63%) Democrats, Republican and Independents all support changing the voting system to a popular vote, so the sentiments for changing the system certainly exists.

On a lighter note, when you mentioned doing the opposite to Donald Trump, it reminded me of when George Constanza in Seinfeld did the opposite to everything he would typically do. Very funny show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3k7lykTWTk

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stui magpie · Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:33 pm

^

have a look at this map.

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president

Trump won the majority of states in a landslide.

he won the electoral college votes 306 to 232.

Clinton only won the "popular" vote because of California.

Under our system you can win a majority of seats and still lose the popular vote too