Winning percentage of games coached

Rickshaw · Joined: 07 Sep 2015

Winning percentage of games coached for the first 5 years of their coaching careers.

Paul Roos - 109 games - 63.3%
Nathan Buckley - 110 games - 54.5%
Mick Malthouse - 105 games - 54.3%
Alistaire Clarkson - 115 games- 49.6%
Mark Thompson - 114 games - 48.2%.

Except for PR most of the other top coaches all seemed to struggle in the first 5 years of their coaching careers.

jackcass · Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Location: Bendigo

That exposes the myth of the doesn't it

September Zeros · Joined: 04 Oct 2012 Location: Behind you

Suggests that it takes time to build successful teams. Especially when you have to dismantle an aging one to start with.

Jezza · 2023 PREMIERS! Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End

Doesn't really prove weather Bucks will be a successful coach or not.

All it suggests is that he had the luxury of inheriting a strong team at the start of his coaching career that most coaches are not afforded at the beginning. On the other hand, Clarkson, Thompson and Malthouse (at Footscray) inherited playing squads at the bottom of the pile and required a rebuild from the beginning.

Also, Clarkson won a premiership in his 4th year of coaching.

That's not to say that Bucks was somewhat unlucky to inherit a great team just past its peak and hadn't experienced the initial downturn that it has now experienced in more recent times.

If Bucks isn't successful within the next 12 to 18 months after a rebuild and rebrand of the squad to his liking, then I think a more definitive answer will be evident about his coaching abilities and his future with us.

Here's hoping he succeeds because the club has given him everything that most coaches could dream of so the faith and patience needs to be reciprocated sooner rather than later.

Rickshaw · Joined: 07 Sep 2015

In 2005 Hawthorn had 3 AA players. Luke Hodge also came equal 4th in the Brownlow so he didn't have a completely dysfunctional side.

In his first premiership in 2008 Clarkson had a 80% winning ratio.

He was also the beneficiary of some astute trading/draft selections with the Hawks gaining Roughie, Lewis and Franklin in the 2005 draft.

After his apprenticeship he has certainly become an innovative master coach,
playing in 4 successive GF and winning 3.

Not bad for a club that entered the VFL as the' Mayblooms'.

CarringbushCigar · Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Location: wherever I lay my beanie

swoop42 · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:40 pm

You do understand most coaches take over from sacked coaches?

Why were they sacked?

There team stank.

Ours didn't.

Chris Scott with a winning percentage of 71.8% and one flag is a better comparison to Buckley.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/afl_coaches?sort=p&status=A&type=

MatthewBoydFanClub · Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: Elwood

You have to give credit though to Chris Scott. He identified where it all went wrong for the Geelong side in 2010. He broke up our forward press by instructing his players to kick it over our heads from the Geelong backline and go direct to goal. Nathan Buckley soon figured him out and we're had some good contests against Geelong since 2012. I'm hoping we'll go past Geelong in 2017.

Cakewalk · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:04 pm

That percentage has kept going in the same trajectory post year one.

These threads happen when you have little else to hang your hat on.

Krakouer Magic · Joined: 05 Apr 2011

MatthewBoydFanClub · Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: Elwood

I accept your argument even though we're never going to agree with each other. Malthouse had two goes to get it right in 2011, even though it was obvious Geelong had our measure, particularly in the last home and away game. Then in the GF he played Reid on Hawkins when Hawkins was on top and didn't move Tarrant on him until it was too late. Our game plan had to change and Buckley did just that, but it seems you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. That seems to be Buckley's fate.

Pies4shaw · pies4shaw Joined: 08 Oct 2007

Well, I think you're damned if you (repeatedly) don't make finals. No one would care about trivial differences in winning percentages (try multiplying them out and comparing the numbers) if Collingwood were playing in finals and building.

Presti35 · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:13 am

Until Bucks coaches a Premiership, he will be doubted as a coach. Even then some will still want him gone.

Monco Matt · Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:55 pm

This is the 'Year Of The Buckley'. He has to elevate the team into finals now, no more going backwards, no more missing the September action, we are Collingwood and we cannot tolerate failure any longer. He may be a favourite son but our patience is wearing thin. Perform or pack your bags. Time is up, make this year count for something. But given we allowed our entire backline except for Reid to leave I fear this will be his last hurrah! Prepare for another season of endless goals from the square.....oh dear!

stui magpie · Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:40 pm

If we don't make finals next year he's in strife, but that's not the only consideration.

North limped into the finals this season after a dominating first half of the season and a disgraceful second half. That would see Bucks gone.

On the other hand, if we played consistently good footy all year, had a positive win/loss ratio and just missed finals by a half a % or something, he may get another year.

Time will tell, but by whatever measure you choose, improvement is required.