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stui magpie 
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So the government has got the ABCC legislation and the registered organisation legislation through the senate.
Mal seems to be a pretty good negotiator, I've got no problems with the concessions he's made to get them through, good negotiation and reasonable outcomes
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/derryn-hinch-secures-win-for-malcolm-turnbull-with-handshake-whacks-disgusting-crossbench-deals-20161129-gt0ffy.html
In other news, a bunch of shrieking SJW numbats make a scene at question time, superglue themselves to railings and have the temerity to sook and squeal when they aren't treated gently while being removed. I assume that was Sherriff's sister screaming for no reason other than to make a scene as she was carried out
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Jezza 
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I couldn't help but laugh my head off when one of the female protestors was screaming hysterically to manufacture outrage.
When in fact, security was rather passive with her when they were escorting her out from the public gallery.
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How many years and the LNP have passed how many bills? Geez, they still haven't passed a budget in all their time.  |
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David 
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I wouldn't be singing their praises just yet. For a double dissolution trigger, the ABCC bill was clearly always pretty low on the government's agenda, and mostly unrelated to their broader economic agenda. Let's see how they go getting the next budget past One Nation, Xenophon, Leyonhjelm and the rest – they'll be needing some pretty solid negotiation skills.
As for the protestors, anyone who manages to get lazy, apathetic Australians to sit up for a moment and remember the plight of our prisoners on Manus and Nauru gets a tick in my book.
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| Jezza wrote: | I couldn't help but laugh my head off when one of the female protestors was screaming hysterically to manufacture outrage.
When in fact, security was rather passive with her when they were escorting her out from the public gallery. |
Funny that I don't remember all this bullshit media fuss a few years back when the protesters from the right protested in parliament about the Carbon tax.... 
Freedom of speech/expression/thinking/opinion = the right to protest from anywhere in the political spectrum.
Bloody weird, crazy kinda weird.....  
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Mugwump
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The SJW people should be given 14 days and a significant fine at both individual and organizational level and told that they are quite entitled to protest in many lawful ways, but that parliament is serious and violators of it should expect serious consequences. Our society will only get worse if histrionic classroom narcissists like these realize that those in charge have lost their nerve.
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Culprit
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| Just to add to the smokescreen and mirrors, the amended legislation to attack unions would have passed the last Parliament. |
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Pies4shaw 
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| Mugwump wrote: | | The SJW people should be given 14 days and a significant fine at both individual and organizational level and told that they are quite entitled to protest in many lawful ways, but that parliament is serious and violators of it should expect serious consequences. Our society will only get worse if histrionic classroom narcissists like these realize that those in charge have lost their nerve. |
That's entertainingly authoritarian. |
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: |
As for the protestors, anyone who manages to get lazy, apathetic Australians to sit up for a moment and remember the plight of our prisoners on Manus and Nauru gets a tick in my book. |
Is that what they were protesting?
The only people who they get that tick from would be those already inclined that way. The rest, and likely the large majority would consider them juvenile, self absorbed, attention seeking tools.
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David
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| Mugwump wrote: | | The SJW people should be given 14 days and a significant fine at both individual and organizational level and told that they are quite entitled to protest in many lawful ways, but that parliament is serious and violators of it should expect serious consequences. Our society will only get worse if histrionic classroom narcissists like these realize that those in charge have lost their nerve. |
Have you ever actually watched question time? The whole parliamentary process is basically just a bunch of histrionic classroom narcissists screaming at each other. Even for a politics junkie like me it's exceptionally tedious and predictable. "Parliament is serious"... come on!
But seriously, talk about misplaced outrage. Protest may not always be pretty, but I'd far prefer to live in a society where public displays of dissent were tolerated than the alternative. Not much point waxing lyrical about the liberties of Western society if you're going to be horrified by seeing those liberties in action.
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Mugwump
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | The SJW people should be given 14 days and a significant fine at both individual and organizational level and told that they are quite entitled to protest in many lawful ways, but that parliament is serious and violators of it should expect serious consequences. Our society will only get worse if histrionic classroom narcissists like these realize that those in charge have lost their nerve. |
That's entertainingly authoritarian. |
"Authoritarian" is a word that vandals like to use when they are being arrested and it would be entertaining to see one discouraged occasionally, yes. Vandalizing the national parliament might be considered a serious crime, though I can appreciate that this is shocking to some.
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Tannin 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Mal seems to be a pretty good negotiator |
Yer right.
1: He's got a Senate full of right-wing nutbags on the cross-bench, plus windbag Xenophon, who talks big for every headline and then votes with the government nearly every time. (Look at his spineless, disgusting backflip on the Murray-Darling hatched job.) So basically, the Government has to get the support of a motley crew of extremist nutjobs even more right-wing than they are, plus any one of Yes-man Xenophon, Labor, or the Greens. Should be a piece of piss. Only a government as incompetent as this one could make hard work of it.
2: What success? Mal Turncoat's latest idiocy is pretending that the passage of the backpacker tax bill is somehow a "success"!
(i) They started by introducing a 30%+ tax grab from backpackers. Hockey was the irresponsible dimwit who brought it in - carefully ignoring (a) all the the economic advice and the pleas of farmers who really, really need backpackers to pick their fruit, and (b) the simple reality that 99% of the money backpackers earn goes straight back into local businesses (mostly pubs and food shops), who pay tax on it anyway. Utter stupidity - and all the Liberals' fault.
(ii) After years inaction and muddle, they finally say they are going to have a 19% tax + steal 95% of the 10% super, making a total tax grab of about 30%. Australians doing the same job under the exact same conditions pay near zero. (Because it's short-term seasonal work and there is a tax-free threshold.) How is that fair? They bill this short-sighted naked money grab as a "compromise". No-one knows why.
(iii) More sensible and practical people (Labor, Greens and others) propose a 10.5% tax. (20% including the super grab.) The government screams like a stuck pig and digs its trotters in.
(iv) Many proposals are put forward. The government rejects all of them and threatens the fruit and vegetable industry with massive disruption all because it won't negotiate. This goes on for week after week.
(v) Finally, the Senate agrees to a 13% headline rate plus the super tax = 22.5%. This is a very sensible compromise and best deal the government is ever likely to get. Pretty much the entire parliament supports it - except of course for idiot Liberals. "Not a penny less than 24.5%!" they scream.
(vi) The Government is now between a rock and a hard place. Having rejected compromise after compromise, they are facing disaster, but they are too pig-headed to back down. The country desperately needs a solution to this obstinate idiocy before the picking season starts in earnest, but it's the last day and the Liberals have painted themselves into a corner. They want their "victory" and nothing else will do. Everybody knows that a compromise is needed, everybody knows that the other parties have already given a lot of ground, but no-one knows how to get the government to see reason. The offer on the table is 22.5%. Turnbull rejects it. Stonewall.
(vii) Finally the Greens step in to effect a rescue. Richard Di Natale proposes that the headline tax rate be 15% (as the government kept insisting, despite its impotence in the Senate), but (a) the government spend an extra $100 million on important rural conservation work, and (b) they drop the super theft rate to 65% instead of 95%. The Government accepts.
Are you following this? Turnbull rejected the 22.5% Labor and everybody else proposed because "it wasn't enough" but accepted 21.5% and an extra $100 million worth of spending.
At any moment they could have accepted Labor's offer of 22.5%. But to save face, they took 21.5% instead and paid out $100 million on top.
Stui, I flatly reject your offer of $22,500 for my car. I won't take a penny less than $21.500. Oh, but I'll throw in a hundred mill to seal it.
Turnbull "good negotiator". Pig's arse.
(PS: but at least they out-negotiated Xenophon on the ABCC bill. Out-negotiating Nick No-balls-at-all Xenophon is like beating a cabbage at scrabble. Anyone could do it.)
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Mugwump
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| David wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | The SJW people should be given 14 days and a significant fine at both individual and organizational level and told that they are quite entitled to protest in many lawful ways, but that parliament is serious and violators of it should expect serious consequences. Our society will only get worse if histrionic classroom narcissists like these realize that those in charge have lost their nerve. |
Have you ever actually watched question time? The whole parliamentary process is basically just a bunch of histrionic classroom narcissists screaming at each other. Even for a politics junkie like me it's exceptionally tedious and predictable. "Parliament is serious"... come on!
But seriously, talk about misplaced outrage. Protest may not always be pretty, but I'd far prefer to live in a society where public displays of dissent were tolerated than the alternative. Not much point waxing lyrical about the liberties of Western society if you're going to be horrified by seeing those liberties in action. |
Liberty and hooliganism have not been considered the same thing until quite recently. We are obviously very free to express dissent (on most matters) in ways that do not make civilized life more or less impossible. There is nothing in the history of true liberalism that says you are permitted to stop parliament from exercising its function. Those who do so have a mindset far more allied to tyranny than liberty. It shows how deep our confusion runs.
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David
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Tannin, you're perfectly entitled to dislike Xenophon – I still haven't made my mind up on him – but I do need to pull you up on your claim that Xenophon votes with the government nearly every time. Not only does he vote against them more often than not, he actually does so more than any other party or independent in the Senate except for the Greens. Even the ALP vote with the Liberals more often.
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