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What'sinaname 
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So it's a lose - lose.
When we (and let's not bullsh&t around and say that we means white people) don't act, like in Alice Springs, we're accused of neglecting the problem.
When we do act, like in protecting children, we're accused of stealing babies.
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David
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This is probably the best argument for the Voice to Parliament. One of the biggest consistent problems is white people / governments trying to fix everything without any significant consultation with those affected. Indigenous people should be directing policy related to Indigenous people wherever possible.
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Skids 
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We had a great BBQ on site. As well as the usual lamb chops, etc, there were emu sausages, camel steak, roo fillet, croc feet, and ribs.
Washed down with a couple of Heaps Normals, it was a pleasant end to a hard day replacing membranes at the RO plant.
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Skids
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watt price tully 
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If you think there’s already extensive consultation to how things ought to be in the provision of all services and the creation of policies rather than an ad hoc approach then there’s no point in continuing. That is sheer nonsense.
One can find examples all over the country of the government being charged exorbitant prices for the delivery of services. Bloody hell the whole public private so called partnerships for the building of toll roads and major projects in guess what non aboriginal communities ( see state government blowouts) makes your little contribution to maintaining the status quo look like a piss in the ocean.
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watt price tully
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| What'sinaname wrote: | So it's a lose - lose.
When we (and let's not bullsh&t around and say that we means white people) don't act, like in Alice Springs, we're accused of neglecting the problem.
When we do act, like in protecting children, we're accused of stealing babies. |
You can choose to see things in an either or situation or not. There’s plenty of literature, plenty of media showing Aboriginal disadvantage. How many of the recommendations of Aboriginal Deaths in Custody have been implemented. There’s going to be a release of a coroner’s report into the death of a woman who ought to have been in hospital rather than die in prison being released today which really shows maltreatment now of aboriginal people in including women.
In terms of white violence against First Nations people this continues unabated.
https://theconversation.com/amp/no-public-outrage-no-vigils-australias-silence-at-violence-against-indigenous-women-158875
The voice or something like it would have been the right remedy to prevent if not minimise the continued injustice to First Nations people. This is a huge failure of Commonwealth and Territory Government over the journey. Given we’ve mostly had liberal national government then they should wear the majority of the blame.
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Skids
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| watt price tully wrote: | | If you think there’s already extensive consultation to how things ought to be in the provision of all services and the creation of policies rather than an ad hoc approach then there’s no point in continuing. That is sheer nonsense. |
Sheer nonsense is it?
The NIAA’s purpose is to assist the Australian Government to achieve its objectives in improving the lives of Indigenous Australians by leading the development of the Australian Government’s approach, focusing on place, working in partnership, and effectively delivering programs through the Indigenous Advancement Strategy (IAS).
We achieve this through implementation of our six strategic pillars:
Building our influence across government in order to strengthen mainstream service delivery with a particular focus on health, wellbeing and education.
Identifying economic and human capital development opportunities for Indigenous Australians and communities.
Working with Indigenous Australians, their communities and leadership in designing and delivering policies and programs that are responsive to local or regional context and needs.
Developing an investment approach that focuses on those areas of the life-course which deliver the greatest benefits for Indigenous Australians.
Developing the human capital of our team through a clear workforce strategy to remain relevant to our circumstances.
Underpinning our work with effective data and evidence.
https://www.transparency.gov.au/annual-reports/national-indigenous-australians-agency/reporting-year/2020-21-32
More than 9400 people participated in the consultation process, which ran over four months from 9 January 2021. People from across the country had their say through community consultation sessions, submissions, surveys, webinars and stakeholder meetings. These engagements were supported by
a range of educational resources explaining the purpose of an Indigenous Voice and the proposals. Feedback from consultations directly influenced the design of the final proposals to the Australian Government.
Maybe you should read through the links before making assumptions?
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What'sinaname
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I don't mean to be cynical, but I don't see how The Voice will stop aboriginal men beating up their aboriginal wives and children.
If it does, then, that alone, is a good enough reason to bring it in. |
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stui magpie 
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The Voice won't stop it but it might inform different strategies that will help stop it.
There's a massive amount of money being spent on family violence, including education programs for perpetrators. It shouldn't be too hard, with proper consultation, to tweak existing programs to better work for First Nations men.
Improving their economic status would be a good start too.
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watt price tully
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| Skids wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | If you think there’s already extensive consultation to how things ought to be in the provision of all services and the creation of policies rather than an ad hoc approach then there’s no point in continuing. That is sheer nonsense. |
Sheer nonsense is it?
The NIAA’s purpose is to assist the Australian Government to achieve its objectives in improving the lives of Indigenous Australians by leading the development of the Australian Government’s approach, focusing on place, working in partnership, and effectively delivering programs through the Indigenous Advancement Strategy (IAS).
We achieve this through implementation of our six strategic pillars:
Building our influence across government in order to strengthen mainstream service delivery with a particular focus on health, wellbeing and education.
Identifying economic and human capital development opportunities for Indigenous Australians and communities.
Working with Indigenous Australians, their communities and leadership in designing and delivering policies and programs that are responsive to local or regional context and needs.
Developing an investment approach that focuses on those areas of the life-course which deliver the greatest benefits for Indigenous Australians.
Developing the human capital of our team through a clear workforce strategy to remain relevant to our circumstances.
Underpinning our work with effective data and evidence.
https://www.transparency.gov.au/annual-reports/national-indigenous-australians-agency/reporting-year/2020-21-32
More than 9400 people participated in the consultation process, which ran over four months from 9 January 2021. People from across the country had their say through community consultation sessions, submissions, surveys, webinars and stakeholder meetings. These engagements were supported by
a range of educational resources explaining the purpose of an Indigenous Voice and the proposals. Feedback from consultations directly influenced the design of the final proposals to the Australian Government.
Maybe you should read through the links before making assumptions? |
The irony here is in your last question. All you’ve done is quoted from the NIAA: I’ll send you my CV and you can quote from that too. Your assumption is they do what they say they do, your assumption is that they are effective (tip they are not). Read some of the many criticisms of them then you’ll be able to post something informed not just quote from a glossy.
The biggest example of the lack of consultation is in the Howard Government doing anything apart from the so called intervention. After this the did nada to help change the situation apart from dramatic headlines and politicisation of these awful issues. The idea of the voice is to formalise a process where the top down approach (from Government to First Nations People) is replaced by a horizontal approach where consultation with the various groups (community elders, representative groups etc) help shape the response and where that response is acted on.
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watt price tully
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| stui magpie wrote: | The Voice won't stop it but it might inform different strategies that will help stop it.
There's a massive amount of money being spent on family violence, including education programs for perpetrators. It shouldn't be too hard, with proper consultation, to tweak existing programs to better work for First Nations men.
Improving their economic status would be a good start too. |
Social conditions: Good housing, food, health and sanitation will go a long way to assist most social issues.
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think positive
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Truth
However I don’t think anything will stop certain/some men beating up their wives and colour is irrelevant. Men in power, no matter how little their power.
I was talking a to a friend who works in a local emergency department, where there is a large Sudanese representation, you can’t see the bruises unless skin is split or they go yellow, she’s says no wonder the kids go ion the riot, that’s their lives at home.
Rich white women hide their shame maybe better than most.
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