Picking 3 youngsters to emerge in 2017

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OK guys, I think you are grossly underestimating how improved our forward line will be.

Hoskin-Elliot is a gun! And Faz is a gun. Its almost certain that one of Pendles, Wells, Varcoe or Sidebottom will be forward at all times adding a star to the mix AT ALL TIMES

Finally, given that we will have BOTH Blair and Mayne up there, once the ball goes in, it aint ever coming out!!!!!!!

[RudeBoy]

[piedys]

[simon tonna]

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ok you got me. I threw Blair in there to see if anyone was reading my post!

[35forever]

Imagine if all the players who look like taking the next step actually did?! Of course we still have by far the worst coach in the game, and try as I might I can't remember a premiership side with a dud coach. This century all the flags have gone to coaches like Sheedy, Pagan, Roos, Woosher, Matthews, Williams, and, Malthouse, Thompson, and Clarkson. I guess Longmire didn't have a brilliant coaching CV, but of course like Scott for Geelong he simply took over from a great & didn't change much, if anything! And before anyone calls Bomber a dud, he had his side from 11th to finals in the first year, and by '04 they missed out on a Granny by single figures. I can't even think of a coach who took a top side and had them lower on the ladder with each of his 5 years. It's unheard of.
Yes, we undoubtedly have the talent to do anything, go anywhere, win flags. But we also had hat in 2012, & 2013, maybe not 2014 after the big cleanout of champions (although we were in the top 4 at halfway, just as we were in 2015. This year was different. Despite finding some great players & landing a top 5 mid we were all over the place. Beating top sides & going down to crap ones. We should have an even better side in 2017, but the results of the last 5 years simply can't be laid at the feet of the playing group/s.

Anyone who knows our game could look at our performances, and without knowing who the coach & players were, or even which side it was, tell you that those results can ONLY be caused by poor coaching & a poor culture.
What they probably couldn’t figure out was the Dictatorial President who admitted being just that after the Carlton nightmare in May.
This is just not a recipe for success. The fact that we haven't even done a coaching review is the last straw. Eddie McLiar now has to go before Collingwood can be successful again. I love Eddie, always have, and I wish it weren't true, but back in May he swore he'd always put the club first.

He hasn't done that, instead we got the utterly dishonest farce they called the members night. Two hours of how great Buckley is and how great 2017 will be. There were questions from members of course, but strangely not one was critical of Coach or President, instead people asked about memberships and which seats they'd get. What a crock!
Failure is one thing, but lying, misinformation & misdirection Penn & Teller would be proud of (women's team anyone?) is NOT the recipe for a successful club.

As the OP says, we have a fantastic pool of young talent and I can't wait to see how DeGoey, Aish, & Maynard will perform, and watch Brodes take the next step & take his place as one of the top 3 or 4 Rucks in the game. Very hard to name just 3 though. Smith & Wills were revelations this year, and the three "sons of" could be outright guns. Moore almost is, and Brown will show his wares in 2017, & while Daicos might take longer, he could be the best of the lot.

So much to look forward to, but how can they possibly do more than finish between 6-8, and maybe win a final? And that is NOT a rhetorical question! How?

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

How? Because of out of the eight draftees only Schade can be reasonably expected to play any AFL footy in 2017 (and even he looks skinny on the training track). Of the senior playing group returning from their after season break, a few are on modified programs, such as Reid, Oxley, Langdon, De Goey, Broomhead, Elliot and Wells and a couple, in Grundy and Goldsack are yet to be sighted. It's going to take months to get this playing group to gel together and most of the positions on the football ground, I think would be up for grabs depending on form and injury.

A finishing position of 6-8 at the end of the 2017 season in my opinion, is a bit optimistic given the maturity of the playing group, but you never know, given the success of the WB's in 2016. I would take every win we can get in 2017 as a positive sign that our overhaul of the list is starting to succeed, but to expect success on the basis that we have a great young playing group is downplaying the young lists of other teams like GWS and the Bulldogs. Then to discredit our senior coach and president, if we don't have success in 2017, is pretty pointless.

[stui magpie]

[35forever]

[Rickshaw]

I don't normally post on this blog but reading the rubbish that people like 35forever post, I wonder if I am truly on the correct supporters site.

I have joined the "bleed black and white' face book page where people like him are totally barred. Maybe the mods on this site should use their discretion to weed out posters that just want to denigrate the club.

I wonder how successful posters like him would be if they replaced the people that they criticise.

If you can't support the club during good and bad times you have the choice to support another team. But then you'd probably criticise them as well because that is the type of person that you are.

Mods if this is over the top just ban me.

[magpieazza]

My hopes would be with

1. Scharenberg.... the sooner we get games into him the closer our side will be towards a premiership, he has real potential.

2. Broomhead.... From what I have read and seen, he is a classy footballer with skills and reads the game very well. Future 200 gamer.

3. Toss up between Aish, Degoey and Moore. Which one of these players would step up. Given that I am expecting Moore to step up, then I would hope for Aish. Simply because he has pedigree and looks a natural footy player. If he becomes the player I hope then he would be a pleasure to watch.

Sorry to Degoey but he will probably come good next year, anyway. Wills I am hoping something big from him as that would be an absolute bonus seeing we got him cheaply and as a speculative pick.

Also sorry to Ramsay, Maynard, Crocker, Sier, Elliott, Crisp, Smith and even Fasolo.

How good would it be to see Fas uninjured and kick 70+goals next year!

Another who I would like to see go well is 23 year old Henry Schade, who looks a talent and obviously has something to offer (pick 24 in 2011). He could be a steal for us.

You wont see me complain either if Kirby and McLarty have their way in 2017......where to fit them all in though....

[magpieazza]

My dream team

Maynard, Dunn, Scharenberg
Varcoe, Reid, Ramsay
Broomhead, Adams, Wells
WHE, Mayne, Sidebottom
Elliott, Moore, Fasolo
Grundy, Pendlebury, Treloar
Aish, Schade, DeGoey, Crisp

Emerg...Smith, Wills, White, Greenwood, Phillips, Sinclair, Blair, Langdon.

[kymbo5@yahoo.com.au]

35Forever. You say we have such a great bunch of young talent, to which I wholeheartedly agree and you also say we have a dud coach.

Most of that young talent who came to our club said they did so BECAUSE of Buckley. They want to be coached by him.

If it wasn't for Bucks, some of that talent wouldn't be at our club. Whether you like it or not, Bucks is our coach, as a supporter of the Pies I will back him in, support him and the group. I want success, and uniting gives you the best chance. Go Bucks, Go Pies!

[Stevo75]

Well said Rickshaw! The sooner people who continually find a way to bag the club go away the better this site will be. The quality of posters now compared to when I originally signed up has dropped dramatically and the same people hijack every thread and fill it with negativity.

For the sake of the topic I would love to see Langdon, Ramsay and Cox get a sustained run at it this year as they all have tremendous upside. Fingers crossed for Sharenberg too who has obvious talent but has been cruelled thus far by injury.
Regardless, whoever fronts up every week has my full support as a paid up member and lifelong supporter.

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I hope we can make the deadline.