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When will it be legal here?
Within 2 years
20%
 20%  [ 3 ]
2-5 years
13%
 13%  [ 2 ]
6-10 years
6%
 6%  [ 1 ]
11-20 years
26%
 26%  [ 4 ]
It'll never happen
33%
 33%  [ 5 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:03 pm
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Then again, it may not.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:35 pm
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Mugwump wrote:
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Quite. The real agenda here is to normalise these drugs so that they become readily available to any cerebronaut who wants to wander into the doctor’s surgery claiming to have back pain. Since Doctors have no incentive to disappoint their customers, it’ll be a backdrop to widespread use.

If they are to be legalized in this way, then let it be by synthesis of the required chemicals in a pill, taken under close supervision, rather as we do today with various morphines.
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From the previously linked article (Ecstasy as a Remedy for PTSD? You Probably Have Some Questions, https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/01/us/ecstasy-molly-ptsd-mdma.html ):

"No one goes home with a bottle of Ecstasy.

If approved by the F.D.A., MDMA would only be administered by a licensed therapist. First, a patient goes through three sessions of psychotherapy. In the fourth session, the patient takes a pill.

... Two therapists — one female, one male — sit at the patient’s side as guides. That session lasts eight hours.
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In follow-up psychotherapy, patients process emotions and insights brought up during the MDMA session. The current protocol calls for patients to take MDMA two or three times, each a month apart, interspersed with psychotherapy.

“The MDMA alone or the therapy alone don’t appear to be as effective,” Dr. Mithoefer said. “The MDMA seems to act as a catalyst that allows the healing to happen.”
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The question is whether there might, over time, be some sort of slippery-slope effect. Have there been examples in the past (of medicinal use leading to widespread recreational use)? Is there a way for legislation to prevent that?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:36 pm
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Imagine if there was widespread recreational use of MDMA. Just imagine! Shocked Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:14 pm
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K wrote:


The question is whether there might, over time, be some sort of slippery-slope effect. Have there been examples in the past (of medicinal use leading to widespread recreational use)? Is there a way for legislation to prevent that?


Opium was first used recreationaly, then medicinally, then was made illegal recreationaly.

Marijuana always recreationaly

Cocaine was in the first brew of coca cola.

All of these are plant derived and were discovered and cultivated by people over centuries for the express purpose of altering their own consciousness.

Alcohol has been around as long as recorded history. everywhere man has spread, except potentially the Australian Aboriginals, they've discovered/developed a way to get messed up using local produce.

Nowdays, it's pseudo science done by people who did yr 10 chemistry making shit that's cut with toxic fillers.

History tells us people have always wanted a form of release, how we manage that going forward is the question.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:09 am
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Heroin and cocaine both were used medicinally.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:41 pm
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/nyregion/new-york-marijuana-legalization.html

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What exactly such a program would look like in New York State is an open question; the state’s 2014 medical marijuana law, which came after more than 20 other states had established such programs, was heavily criticized during its early years for being too restrictive and ineffective, though changes have since been made. But marijuana is still not allowed to be smoked in the medical program — the drug is available in oil forms, among others — a stipulation of Mr. Cuomo’s, who had insisted on strict controls.

Dr. Zucker said that the report on recreational usage was done in consultation with “experts from all across the government,” including specialists in public safety, public health, and economics, including taxation. He said that group had considered a wide range of issues — including the age of allowed use, impaired driving, and production and distribution — and concluded that legal marijuana could be done statewide.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:05 pm
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From a link in the article directly above. [Log in to view.]

What would a "normal" dose be? Is this cheap or expensive? And what is CBD?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:01 am
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Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

Canada's parliament has passed a law legalising the recreational use of marijuana nationwide.

The Cannabis Act passed its final hurdle on Tuesday in a 52-29 vote in the Senate. The bill controls and regulates how the drug can be grown, distributed, and sold.

Canadians will be able to buy and consume cannabis legally as early as this September

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44543286

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:28 am
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From a link in the article directly above. [Log in to view.]

What would a "normal" dose be? Is this cheap or expensive? And what is CBD?


THC vs. CBD: What’s The Difference?

THC and CBD interact with the body differently. THC activates CB1 and CB2 receptors, while CBD exerts its effects more indirectly.

Cannabinoids interact with cannabinoid receptors throughout the body in the endocannabinoid system. This is why topical cannabis works, as even the skin and muscles in a given spot on the body have cannabinoid receptors.

https://www.leafscience.com/2017/11/22/thc-cbd-difference/

That is pretty cheap. A gram of good qaulity stuff will be enough for 3 or 4 people to get baked.

When Hydroponically grown 'Dutch Skunk' first hit the streets, around 1992, it cost $25/gram.

Good qaility weed ranges from $300 - $400 an ounce in Perth these days.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:09 pm
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$14/g does seem rather cheap then, if it can give four doses. I wonder how much legality affects the price, and whether this itself can encourage use.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:15 pm
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$14/g does seem rather cheap then, if it can give four doses. I wonder how much legality affects the price, and whether this itself can encourage use.


That price in your post is $US?
If so, that's comparitive to what we pay in $AUS on the black market.

"Encourage use" ?
I don't think pot being illegal discourages use, so legalization will, IMO, have minimal, if any effect on who will and who won't choose to smoke it.

Getting a smoke is as easy as buying a beer... no, it's easier, alcohol outlets opening hours are regulated.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:19 pm
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You are curious about how much legality affects the price and whether this itself can encourage use.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:19 pm
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Yes, I assume US dollars. The question about "encouraging use" was the economic one --- whether it's getting cheaper, like beer in comparison with fine wine.
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They can burgle a house as easily as they can buy a beer, too, on that logic.

I just tested the question with two of my three kids, any of whom could (and do) buy beer at one of three convenience stores within ten minutes walk. Both knew where they might be able to get dope today, but were not sure if the person supplying it would have any today, whether he’d be around, or what it’d cost if he did, and both were dubious about whether it was worth the effort. Even in its virtually decriminalized status today, it’s hardly a “pop into the shop” item as it would be if legalized.

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