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thompsoc
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| Member 7167 wrote: | How has the women's team drained resource and money from the main game?
The club has more than enough funds at their disposal and the money expended on the women's team does not come out of our football cap. The club has employed additional staff to support the women's side and there may be some benefits passed onto the main squad by the way of fitness expertise and other resources.
When you use Caro's opinions to substantiate an argument it shows just how desperate you are to cast both the club and its servants in a bad light.
No charges have been laid on anyone after all this time. The situation has been reviewed by a QC and he gave the all clear. The AFL has moved Craig Lambert one of the individuals concerned from GWS to the Lions. Why would they do this if they thought there was a case to answer. The AFL also wanted Gubby to move to the Lions. I would suspect that this is all a result of Caro attempting to cast Eddie and the club in a bad light. Caro has been successful as the Chicken Little's of this world have emerged from under their rocks and it gives individuals such as yourself some ammunition to feed your agenda. |
It is all Caro's fault!
Our core business is CFC and if you think that the women's teams won't cost money and resources then that is just dopey.
Can't wait for the equal pay scenario in a few years time.
The point is.... will the girls teams generate enough money in terms of the gate or media rights to pay for itself...I think not. Then it boils down the notion that it will generate a net benefit to the overall support base for CFC.
The extra resources in terms of fitness or training could have been achieved by spending more on the footy dept. and paying the extra tax.
There may be problems in terms of culture and time issues with certain specialists areas.
Who knows what problems /issues it will throw up in the next few years.
It is an unknown.
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thompsoc
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| Piesnchess wrote: | Another bash Bucks and Ed tirade, during a Gubby topic, cant help yourself can you, bash the coach and ed in every single thread, guess you blame em for the solicitor general resigning too.  |
You whinge too much about me and other posters
Stick to the topic!
But you just can't help yourself.
<snip, Please resist the urge to backseat moderate, thank you. Report button is there for a reason - the bbmods>
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: Elwood
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| thompsoc wrote: |
It is all Caro's fault!
Our core business is CFC and if you think that the women's teams won't cost money and resources then that is just dopey.
Can't wait for the equal pay scenario in a few years time.
The point is.... will the girls teams generate enough money in terms of the gate or media rights to pay for itself...I think not. Then it boils down the notion that it will generate a net benefit to the overall support base for CFC.
The extra resources in terms of fitness or training could have been achieved by spending more on the footy dept. and paying the extra tax.
There may be problems in terms of culture and time issues with certain specialists areas.
Who knows what problems /issues it will throw up in the next few years.
It is an unknown. |
Is there a direct correlation between the amount of money you spend on the football department and the results on the footy field? We have the most politicians per head of population in the world and it hasn't led to better government in this country. Don't see why we have to hire more assistants to produce better footballers. As long as you have a good close knit group of coaches, a good training ground and a good gym, the results should follow, I would have thought.
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The Prototype 
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I have no idea why people continue to read Caro's work if they get upset by it, she has a job to do and she does it. The current situation is an interesting one, trying to figure out how they are going to get their proof of wrong doings and all that.
I think Allen has done what he was hired to do, whether he gets suspended or not, I think the job has been done now need someone to follow on from that should he be suspended. I have no issues with him being hired, when he was hired and for 15 months it has been only allegations of wrong doing.
I do not believe you can condemn a man on allegations, even though the AFL media, public, and Collingwood supporters alike have been trying to find a way to lynch him before knowing the facts.
While they also try and hang Eddie and Pert for hiring him, was it a risk to hire him? Yes. But he shook up the list like it was needed. I have no issues with that.
Before flying off the handle we should really wait for a conclusion, and rather than get all upset over Caro, we focus ahead.
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RudeBoy
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I was more concerned at the suggestion, if it's true, that Gubby went behind Hine's back and offered Mayne a 4 yr $2 million contract, while Derek had only offered him a 3 yr deal at $380 grand pa.
Also, I'm not surprised there was unease at CFC creating a women's AFL team and netball. At the time, my sense was that these were distractions we didn't need to have and could potentially be a strain on our resources. Time will tell I guess. |
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The Prototype
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I don't see the Netball and Women's Team affecting anything, they have hired staff for all of that they will take care of that. Much like the vFL side. I am not too concerned about it.
I am not too sure about the Mayne thing, I guess we can only wait and see the fallout there. But I think the Football Department will do it's job and will go on with or without Allen.
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| RudeBoy wrote: | I was more concerned at the suggestion, if it's true, that Gubby went behind Hine's back and offered Mayne a 4 yr $2 million contract, while Derek had only offered him a 3 yr deal at $380 grand pa.
Also, I'm not surprised there was unease at CFC creating a women's AFL team and netball. At the time, my sense was that these were distractions we didn't need to have and could potentially be a strain on our resources. Time will tell I guess. |
Not knowing for sure if the reported figure of a 4yr $2 million contract is correct, but let's say that Hine offered Mayne a 3 yr deal at $380 grand pa and North offers Mayne a counter proposal of 3 yr at $450 grand pa, then it comes down to how much we're prepared to pay Mayne to bring him to Collingwood. If Mayne makes the difference next year in getting us into the finals, how do you put a value on the price we paid to bring him to Collingwood? These sort of complex trade deals are made all the time and to have them reported in the media with omissions and mistruths that writers like Caro use to pursue their own personal agendas, distorts the actual truth of what took place between the player's manager and the club. |
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5 from the wing on debut
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Putting aside the "big fish" question, where do we suppose the leak of Hine's alleged Mayne offer of $380K for 3 years to the media came from and, if true and it came from the Club (rather than, say, Mayne or his management), how long do we expect the source to have a job? |
Possible sources:-
1. Fremantle - potentially, to appease supporters - "why did he leave?";;
2. North - as per Fremantle but "why didn't we get him?";
3. Mayne/his management - unlikely, no benefit to Mayne to do so;
4. Within the club - Hine's department - potentially to appease supporter backlash & criticism over price and term, but the precise source would never be established so could not be legitimately used as a reason for terminating a contract. So to answer your question, even if the source is under suspicion,I would expect the source to have a job until the contract expiry date. |
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Jezza 
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| September Zeros wrote: | | Somehow this has gone from a GWS problem to a Sack the Collingwood CEO and president- WTF??. |
Simple. Collingwood sells newspapers.
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Carowhine needs a new whipping boy now Swan has retired. She also needs a decent haircut and an attitude adjustment.
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Member 7167 
"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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| thompsoc wrote: | It is all Caro's fault!
Our core business is CFC and if you think that the women's teams won't cost money and resources then that is just dopey.
Can't wait for the equal pay scenario in a few years time.
The point is.... will the girls teams generate enough money in terms of the gate or media rights to pay for itself...I think not. Then it boils down the notion that it will generate a net benefit to the overall support base for CFC.
The extra resources in terms of fitness or training could have been achieved by spending more on the footy dept. and paying the extra tax.
There may be problems in terms of culture and time issues with certain specialists areas.
Who knows what problems /issues it will throw up in the next few years.
It is an unknown. |
No one said it was Caro's fault. Caro is simply a poison pen who applies he trade at the expense of organisations and people she does not like in the most vindictive and malicious way possible. When taking that into account it is very difficult to work out what is a balanced opinion and what is manipulated rubbish.
The AFL as a whole is supporting women's football and women make uip much of the supporter base these days.
Collingwood as part of its funding agreement with the Victorian Government has committed itself to being more involved with the community with the Holden centre being the focus. We can be more than just an
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Woods 
Joined: 21 Aug 2013
Location: Melbourne
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| 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Putting aside the "big fish" question, where do we suppose the leak of Hine's alleged Mayne offer of $380K for 3 years to the media came from and, if true and it came from the Club (rather than, say, Mayne or his management), how long do we expect the source to have a job? |
Possible sources:-
1. Fremantle - potentially, to appease supporters - "why did he leave?";;
2. North - as per Fremantle but "why didn't we get him?";
3. Mayne/his management - unlikely, no benefit to Mayne to do so;
4. Within the club - Hine's department - potentially to appease supporter backlash & criticism over price and term, but the precise source would never be established so could not be legitimately used as a reason for terminating a contract. So to answer your question, even if the source is under suspicion,I would expect the source to have a job until the contract expiry date. |
Possible sources? The source is a Board member (ie. a Director). Its staring us all in the face.
Just read Caro’s article.
The directors are not aligned in their views on Nathan Buckley, have questioned the heavy cost of establishing the netball and women's football teams…
There are genuine signs that those directors who have rarely challenged him - despite some horrendous gaffes in the past - are starting to do so…
Derek Hine, who had offered Mayne a three-year deal worth $380,000 a year…
This is Board level information. The leak is coming from the Board. Clear as daylight a renegade Director is at work feeding information to Caro.
We have a Director on the Board who is trying to develop a faction that will support him/her to topple Eddie as President, and put their own stooge in. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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5 from the wing on debut
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| Woods wrote: | | 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Putting aside the "big fish" question, where do we suppose the leak of Hine's alleged Mayne offer of $380K for 3 years to the media came from and, if true and it came from the Club (rather than, say, Mayne or his management), how long do we expect the source to have a job? |
Possible sources:-
1. Fremantle - potentially, to appease supporters - "why did he leave?";;
2. North - as per Fremantle but "why didn't we get him?";
3. Mayne/his management - unlikely, no benefit to Mayne to do so;
4. Within the club - Hine's department - potentially to appease supporter backlash & criticism over price and term, but the precise source would never be established so could not be legitimately used as a reason for terminating a contract. So to answer your question, even if the source is under suspicion,I would expect the source to have a job until the contract expiry date. |
Possible sources? The source is a Board member (ie. a Director). Its staring us all in the face.
Just read Caro’s article.
The directors are not aligned in their views on Nathan Buckley, have questioned the heavy cost of establishing the netball and women's football teams…
There are genuine signs that those directors who have rarely challenged him - despite some horrendous gaffes in the past - are starting to do so…
Derek Hine, who had offered Mayne a three-year deal worth $380,000 a year…
This is Board level information. The leak is coming from the Board. Clear as daylight a renegade Director is at work feeding information to Caro.
We have a Director on the Board who is trying to develop a faction that will support him/her to topple Eddie as President, and put their own stooge in. |
I don't see sufficient evidence there to reach the conclusion that the leak - if that is what occurred - was from board level. We do not know if the information reported is true, is reasonable speculation based upon known fact or was entirely fabricated.
Wilson can make whatever claim she wants to but in the absence of names being put to allegations I am treating it as BS.
In any event, what could a board possibly have to do with the fine detail of the negotiations for the recruitment of a player? That is an operational decision, not a board decision.
As for the cost of establishing the netball and women's football teams, I would expect that the board questioned the cost at the time it initially voted for, and approved of, the decisions. Had I been on the board I would have been critical of the cost and voted against the proposals, but if I was outvoted, so be it. It sounds to me that Wilson is muckraking by raising historical matters, if they are in fact true.
It's interesting to note how she revels in getting stuck into the Pies, whereas due to her relationship with the Focus on Footy group at Richmond, she hardly said a word. |
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5 from the wing on debut
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I should also point out that Wilson says that "There are genuine signs that those directors who have rarely challenged him......... are starting to do so".
What is it Wilson, have they challenged him or not? If they have challenged him, how have they? A "genuine sign" is code for " I have nothing so I will make it sound like I do". |
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