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Raw Hammer
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Let's get the terminology RIGHT. A LOW draft pick is DOWN the order, not at the top. A HIGH draft pick is at the pointy end, s first rounder.
So, if you are saying a LOW first rounder for Grundy (i.e. 10-18, you've got to be kidding). He was the in-form ruckman throughout the second half of the season, making the AFL team of the week 4-5 times as the STARTING ruckman. Grundy is a top 10 (even top 5) prospect at his age right now.
P.S. The members' forum revealed that Grundy sought additional after hours training from A.Rocca from mid-season to improve his game. He also 'couldn't run' when he first hit to the club. I'd say the development of our 'kids' is on track with this sort of commitment.
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dalyc 
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| Raw Hammer wrote: | Let's get the terminology RIGHT. A LOW draft pick is DOWN the order, not at the top. A HIGH draft pick is at the pointy end, s first rounder.
So, if you are saying a LOW first rounder for Grundy (i.e. 10-18, you've got to be kidding). He was the in-form ruckman throughout the second half of the season, making the AFL team of the week 4-5 times as the STARTING ruckman. Grundy is a top 10 (even top 5) prospect at his age right now.
P.S. The members' forum revealed that Grundy sought additional after hours training from A.Rocca from mid-season to improve his game. He also 'couldn't run' when he first hit to the club. I'd say the development of our 'kids' is on track with this sort of commitment. |
Thanks Hammer for the terminology help. So with your advice, I'd want a high to mid 2nd round pick for Witts and a high 1st round for Grundy.
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Raw Hammer
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Yes.
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woftam 
I used to be undecided, but now I'm not so sure.
Joined: 28 Jul 2008
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| dalyc wrote: | | woftam wrote: | | dalyc wrote: | So let's turn this on its head, what draft pick would you want for Witts and what would you want for Grundy?
Me, I'd want second round for Witts and low first round for Grundy |
Thank god you aren't negotiating on our behalf. That's all I'll say for now. |
What would you do, Forrest? |
Sorry, didn't mean to offend. Just shocked anyone would consider trading Grundy.
Low 20's pick for Witts if we can't keep him.
Grundy - Never ever trade. Will be a star. |
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dalyc
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| woftam wrote: | | dalyc wrote: | | woftam wrote: | | dalyc wrote: | So let's turn this on its head, what draft pick would you want for Witts and what would you want for Grundy?
Me, I'd want second round for Witts and low first round for Grundy |
Thank god you aren't negotiating on our behalf. That's all I'll say for now. |
What would you do, Forrest? |
Sorry, didn't mean to offend. Just shocked anyone would consider trading Grundy.
Low 20's pick for Witts if we can't keep him.
Grundy - Never ever trade. Will be a star. |
No worries Woftam. I wouldn't trade Grundy either. I was just trying to rank / compare what we would get for each. In hindsight, I've undersold Witts. If we paid pick 14 for Wood I'd expect that sort of number for Witts. Which by extension makes Grundy worth top 3 pick.
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qldmagpie67
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Could we parcel up Witts & Oxley and maybe exchange some lower draft picks to get a draft pick form them like 6 or 8 (Richmond will have to part with there 1st round pick)
Cox and a Maric are insurance enough for Grundy and we also have Keefe coming back in who could ruck for 5 minutes here and there along with White to give Grundy a spell when required. One of Grundy's best attributes is his tank for a big man he gets around the ground well and makes second and thrid efforts winning the ball at stoppages and clearances.
Gets us back onto th draft in a big way.
Also we will get some thing in the 2nd round for Cloke and maybe Williams if we decide to trade him so getting Daicos and Brown shouldn't be that hard.
Not sure but can we trade Thomas as he's just off the rookie list and he may be surplus to our requirements ? |
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AN_Inkling
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I think a pick in the 20s for Witts is value. We would have got more last year but you're very unlikely to get a first round pick for a 24 year old who you only played for 2 games in finishing 12th.
Witts to me is a similar prospect to Warnock who was traded to the Blues essentially for pick 24. He was 21 years old at the time. Witts is 24 and the upside is diminishing by the year.
Wood was traded for pick 14, but if I remember that was a weak draft year. We were desperate for a ruck and Wood was a 20 year old who was picked at 18 by the Lions. Witts is too old to have the same expected upside as a Warnock or Wood. If we wanted a good deal we needed to play him in 2016.
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RudeBoy
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| AN_Inkling wrote: | I think a pick in the 20s for Witts is value. We would have got more last year but you're very unlikely to get a first round pick for a 24 year old who you only played for 2 games in finishing 12th.
Witts to me is a similar prospect to Warnock who was traded to the Blues essentially for pick 24. He was 21 years old at the time. Witts is 24 and the upside is diminishing by the year.
Wood was traded for pick 14, but if I remember that was a weak draft year. We were desperate for a ruck and Wood was a 20 year old who was picked at 18 by the Lions. Witts is too old to have the same expected upside as a Warnock or Wood. If we wanted a good deal we needed to play him in 2016. |
Given his performance in the VFL today, we might be very lucky to get a pick in the high 30s. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | AN_Inkling wrote: | I think a pick in the 20s for Witts is value. We would have got more last year but you're very unlikely to get a first round pick for a 24 year old who you only played for 2 games in finishing 12th.
Witts to me is a similar prospect to Warnock who was traded to the Blues essentially for pick 24. He was 21 years old at the time. Witts is 24 and the upside is diminishing by the year.
Wood was traded for pick 14, but if I remember that was a weak draft year. We were desperate for a ruck and Wood was a 20 year old who was picked at 18 by the Lions. Witts is too old to have the same expected upside as a Warnock or Wood. If we wanted a good deal we needed to play him in 2016. |
Given his performance in the VFL today, we might be very lucky to get a pick in the high 30s. |
Given his performance in the first half at least, we could sit him on the footpath outside the Holden centre with a sign around his neck saying "Free" and the only interest he'd attract would be from passing dogs looking for something to piss on.
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BazBoy
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After his game today I doubt him progressing any
further than VFL at Collingwood
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Pies4shaw 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | | AN_Inkling wrote: | I think a pick in the 20s for Witts is value. We would have got more last year but you're very unlikely to get a first round pick for a 24 year old who you only played for 2 games in finishing 12th.
Witts to me is a similar prospect to Warnock who was traded to the Blues essentially for pick 24. He was 21 years old at the time. Witts is 24 and the upside is diminishing by the year.
Wood was traded for pick 14, but if I remember that was a weak draft year. We were desperate for a ruck and Wood was a 20 year old who was picked at 18 by the Lions. Witts is too old to have the same expected upside as a Warnock or Wood. If we wanted a good deal we needed to play him in 2016. |
Given his performance in the VFL today, we might be very lucky to get a pick in the high 30s. |
Given his performance in the first half at least, we could sit him on the footpath outside the Holden centre with a sign around his neck saying "Free" and the only interest he'd attract would be from passing dogs looking for something to piss on. |
My dogs typically look for something a little more solid for that. I think he played his way to a later fifth round pick today. |
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Jezza 
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I'm not a fan of Witts.
His ruck work is competent, but he doesn't provide anything else around the ground that Grundy cannot do and I'd be happy for him to be a back-up to Grundy, otherwise if he doesn't want to stay then I'd be happy for us to trade him at the right price.
Grundy is the future and we must do everything in our power to ensure that he remains a Collingwood player beyond 2017 when his current contract expires.
After all, he was named in the ruck for the best 22 under 22 team.
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Can we inject Witts with a non contagious rabies shot.
Give him some mad dog syndrome and he may be ok.
I like Witts , i really do but last weeks effort left me gob smacked.
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Cam 
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Agree with both you two.
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