Heath Shaw

[RudeBoy]

[uncanny]

Who said Heater was sledged about his ADHD?

[Member 7167]

Heater just doesn't like to be beaten. If he doesn't get his own way he behaves like a angry 2 year old. As a result he is capable of saying and doing anything. Not the qualities of a leader in my opinion. When the going gets tough you want someone to help focus and organise the back-line, not go on a rant and alienate the other players.

[stui magpie]

[Krakouer Magic]

[Krakouer Magic]

[quote="uncanny"]I was interested to hear Tory Dickson on radio on Sunday afternoon talking about their plans to rattle Heater. Both in the tactics Tory and his team mates employed and by the lip and niggle guys like Libba gave him. These clearly worked as evidenced by the spray we've been debating. It's debatable about the effect this would have on the orange boys but sure as heck would have encouraged the dogs big time to see him going off like that.[/quote/].

Let's relive it from this perspective.

1. Dickson kicks his first goal. Bit of a ruckus afterward. Shaw refuses to back down. Fires up. Who kicked the next goals? That's right GWS. So Shaw inspired the next 2 goals. Well played dogs going at Shaw just got GWS to get their ass into gear.

2. Two minutes to go in 2nd qtr. Tomlinson drops a over head mark which he should have taken. Two ball ups in a row. Then Whitfield allows no.14 to kick an easy stoppage goal. Shaw goes ape shit. "That $£$%^%%$ shit" he says. Who kicks he next goal after half time? GWS! Again Shaw's spray has an impact.

3. Dickson out marks Shaw and goals. A bit of a ruckus. Shaw says to Davis "that's the last one alright". Who kicks the next 3 goals? GWS of course.

The mid field was where that game was won. On top of that, Tomilson, Hayne, Wilson, Williams and Patful all cost GWS goals. Wilson cost multiple goals.

However, there is clear evidence that after every Shaw spray or scrap with the opposition GWS responded positively. It inspired them. They always kicked the next goal after a Shaw spat. Any one who thinks it was detrimental to the GWS is a $£$%^%%$ moron. On top of that, have a look at the reaction to his 55 meter goal. They all love it and embrace him. They love the guy.

Shaw had no control over what the midfield do. If the dogs seriously think scrapping with Shaw helped win them the game they are $£$%^%%$ idiots. As I've just demonstrated, every time Shaw got pissed off the GWS played better and scored goals. If that ain't great leadership I don't know what is. The dogs know it was won on the back of GWS mistakes (choking) and the dogs dominant mid field.

They know they got lucky GWS threw it away

[think positive]

[quote="Krakouer Magic"]

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

[quote="think positive"]

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[Cruisinwithdids]

Im not going to bag Shaw just because he is not at Collingwood. He is a great player, All Australian, and i think he is a leader. A loss for Collingwood and his leaving hurt the fabric of the club

[Tannin]

Was a tremendous player for our club but became a destructive influence with his repeated brain fartz. Fantastic energy and commitment but too much ego and a lack of self-control.

Shaw had stopped being a positive for us, plain and simple.

The good part is that we traded away onlyabout 100 games worth of Heater. How old was he when we traded him? 27? So he had about 100 games left in him before retirement. And we traded in 300 games worth of Taylor Adams, a future Collingwood captain.

Adams has become very, very important to this club. He's not a spectacular player like Heater, he's a very hard worker, tough as nails, and RELIABLE. When we are getting smashed, Adams doesn't hang his head or go round biffing blokes or pointing fingers and screaming abuse at his teammates. Adams just gets the pill, over and over and over. He leads by example. And when Adams is in the team, we very rarely do get smashed. We are a better team with his heart and ball-getting ability at our core.

Adams is very like Blair in some ways, but with one big difference. He tackles like a maniac, chases, goes in for the hard ball at the bottom of the pack, trains the house down, generally does the hard things coaches love. But there is one difference and it's a key one. Adams gets a lot of the ball. Every week. He's 23 and a couple of years off his prime yet, but already one of our three or four most important players. By the time he's 25 and at his very best, Heater will have retired.

Summary: we swapped a good old player with problems for a good young player without those problems. In one word, we got a fantastic bargain.

Curiously, however,. GWS would be happy with the deal too. They were swimming in talented youngsters and could spare Adams, but they desperately needed experience. Heater has done brilliantly for GWS, made them a better team, and good on him. Very pleased to see him make such a success of his second career, and I hope he gets a premiership out of it somewhere along the line.

And I will never, ever, ever forget his gift to us of the 2010 premiership. That moment when he made the Smother of the Century, that was the turning point. From that moment on, St Vomit were never going to catch us.

(Dennis Cometti, interviewed after his retirement was announced last week, was asked, out of all the grand finals he has called, was there one moment that stands out in his memory above all others? Yes, Dennis said: Heath Shaw's smother in the Grand Final Replay. That's pretty fair praise from a man of his vast experience.)

Go well Heater. And in a couple of years time when you retire, you can enjoy watching Taylor Adams lead us to premiership glory.

[burnsy17]

Great post - Adams should capt our side as soon as 2017...

[Mugwump]

^ Yep, superb post from Tannin. Sums it up very well.