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regan is true fullback 



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:28 pm
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What next for the progressive mob though? With that issue put to bed the rent a crowd are going to need something else to rally around.


There is the small matter of spending 86 billion pounds on a woman who waves out of carriages for a living...

If you don't like it move to the Philippines, where they don't have divorce, gay rights, sex education, anti abortion is enshrined in the constitution and Sisson and his fellow opie scumbags are opposing all contraceptives on the basis that they may be abortifants...

Every time a gay couple is married, or a couple divorces, or a woman makes the long sad journey from Ireland to England, or someone actually makes the effort to educate themselves about the physical side of their marriage/relationship as opposed to being just a parent, or somebody buys a condom, a Santamaria/Abbott/Escriva/Sisson fairy dies.


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What next for the progressive mob though? With that issue put to bed the rent a crowd are going to need something else to rally around.


If you listen to Cory Bernardi, next up is polygamy and marrying animals. Wink

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BREAKDOWN OF RESULTS

Overall Result

Yes = 7,817,247 (61.6%)
No = 4,873,987 (38.4%)

Valid Votes = 12,691,234 (99.71%)
Invalid Votes = 36,686 (0.29%)

Turnout = 79.5%

State and Territory Breakdown

New South Wales
- Yes = 2,374,362 (57.8%)
- No = 1,736,838 (42.2%)

Victoria
- Yes = 2,145,629 (64.9%)
- No = 1,161,098 (35.1%)

Queensland
- Yes = 1,487,060 (60.7%)
- No = 1,161,098 (35.1%)

Western Australia
- Yes = 801,575 (63.7%)
- No = 455,924 (36.3%)

South Australia
- Yes = 592,528 (62.5%)
- No = 356,247 (37.5%)

Tasmania
- Yes = 191,948 (63.6%)
- No = 109,655 (36.4%)

Australian Capital Territory
- Yes = 175,459 (74.0%)
- No = 61,520 (26.0%)

Northern Territory
- Yes = 48,686 (60.6%)
- No = 31,690 (39.4%)

Top 10 Electorates Voting Yes
- Melbourne (Vic) = 83.69% - Local MP is Adam Bandt (Greens)
- Sydney (NSW) = 83.67% - Local MP is Tanya Plibersek (Labor)
- Melbourne Ports (Vic) = 81.97% - Local MP is Michael Danby (Labor)
- Wentworth (NSW) = 80.85% - Local MP is Malcolm Turnbull (Coalition)
- Grayndler (NSW) = 79.89% - Local MP is Anthony Albanese (Labor)
- Brisbane (QLD) = 79.51% - Local MP is Trevor Evans (Coalition)
- Higgins (Vic) = 78.34% - Local MP is Kelly O'Dwyer (Coalition)
- Griffith (QLD) = 76.60% - Local MP is Terri Butler (Labor)
- Goldstein (Vic) = 76.30% - Local MP is Tim Wilson (Coalition)
- Warringah (NSW) = 75.01% - Local MP is Tony Abbott (Coalition)

Top 10 Electorates Voting No
- Blaxland (NSW) = 73.95% - Local MP is Jason Clare (Labor)
- Watson (NSW) = 69.64% - Local MP is Tony Burke (Labor)
- McMahon (NSW) = 64.93% - Local MP is Chris Bowen (Labor)
- Werriwa (NSW) = 63.74% - Local MP is Anne Stanley (Labor)
- Fowler (NSW) = 63.66% - Local MP is Chris Hayes (Labor)
- Parramatta (NSW) = 61.62% - Local MP is Julie Owens (Labor)
- Chifley (NSW) = 58.69% - Local MP is Ed Husic (Labor)
- Calwell (Vic) = 56.84% - Local MP is Maria Vamvakinou (Labor)
- Barton (NSW) = 56.36% - Local MP is Linda Burney (Labor)
- Maranoa (QLD) = 56.09% - Local MP is David Littleproud (Coalition)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:16 pm
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What next for the progressive mob though? With that issue put to bed the rent a crowd are going to need something else to rally around.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:24 pm
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Result and margin exactly what I thought it would be. Should be done quickly through parliament because the coalition really want this issue gone before the next election. Don't really care about the issue, there was already legal equality so it was all just semantics really. Not like the gay community are known for adherence to life long monogamy. I'm sure the legal profession will be cheering this result more than anyone.

What next for the progressive mob though? With that issue put to bed the rent a crowd are going to need something else to rally around.


Because the hetero community is? Shocked
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Jezza wrote:
BREAKDOWN OF RESULTS

Overall Result

Yes = 7,817,247 (61.6%)
No = 4,873,987 (38.4%)

Valid Votes = 12,691,234 (99.71%)
Invalid Votes = 36,686 (0.29%)

Turnout = 79.5%

State and Territory Breakdown

New South Wales
- Yes = 2,374,362 (57.8%)
- No = 1,736,838 (42.2%)

Victoria
- Yes = 2,145,629 (64.9%)
- No = 1,161,098 (35.1%)

Queensland
- Yes = 1,487,060 (60.7%)
- No = 1,161,098 (35.1%)

Western Australia
- Yes = 801,575 (63.7%)
- No = 455,924 (36.3%)

South Australia
- Yes = 592,528 (62.5%)
- No = 356,247 (37.5%)

Tasmania
- Yes = 191,948 (63.6%)
- No = 109,655 (36.4%)

Australian Capital Territory
- Yes = 175,459 (74.0%)
- No = 61,520 (26.0%)

Northern Territory
- Yes = 48,686 (60.6%)
- No = 31,690 (39.4%)

Top 10 Electorates Voting Yes
- Melbourne (Vic) = 83.69% - Local MP is Adam Bandt (Greens)
- Sydney (NSW) = 83.67% - Local MP is Tanya Plibersek (Labor)
- Melbourne Ports (Vic) = 81.97% - Local MP is Michael Danby (Labor)
- Wentworth (NSW) = 80.85% - Local MP is Malcolm Turnbull (Coalition)
- Grayndler (NSW) = 79.89% - Local MP is Anthony Albanese (Labor)
- Brisbane (QLD) = 79.51% - Local MP is Trevor Evans (Coalition)
- Higgins (Vic) = 78.34% - Local MP is Kelly O'Dwyer (Coalition)
- Griffith (QLD) = 76.60% - Local MP is Terri Butler (Labor)
- Goldstein (Vic) = 76.30% - Local MP is Tim Wilson (Coalition)
- Warringah (NSW) = 75.01% - Local MP is Tony Abbott (Coalition)

Top 10 Electorates Voting No
- Blaxland (NSW) = 73.95% - Local MP is Jason Clare (Labor)
- Watson (NSW) = 69.64% - Local MP is Tony Burke (Labor)
- McMahon (NSW) = 64.93% - Local MP is Chris Bowen (Labor)
- Werriwa (NSW) = 63.74% - Local MP is Anne Stanley (Labor)
- Fowler (NSW) = 63.66% - Local MP is Chris Hayes (Labor)
- Parramatta (NSW) = 61.62% - Local MP is Julie Owens (Labor)
- Chifley (NSW) = 58.69% - Local MP is Ed Husic (Labor)
- Calwell (Vic) = 56.84% - Local MP is Maria Vamvakinou (Labor)
- Barton (NSW) = 56.36% - Local MP is Linda Burney (Labor)
- Maranoa (QLD) = 56.09% - Local MP is David Littleproud (Coalition)


I was reading some of the stats earlier today.

Interesting that the top 9 electorates that cast a No vote are all labor seats and the electorates of most of the staunch No campaigners votes yes.

Personal/party values or representing your electorate?

Anyway, happy it's over and the yes vote won. Despite all the preamble bluster and angst it was a reasonably clean campaign and, even though the result isn't binding, any politician would ignore that at their peril. Hopefully common sense prevails and we can get the legislation stamped in December and all move on

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"They voted yes for love" - Turnbull.

No, they didn't. They voted about same sex Australians being able to be legally married - it wasn't a debate about homosexuality.

Though not as scurrilous as the 'No' case adding all sorts of unrelated issues but still, the 'Yes' mantra of 'Love is Love' was just as silly - and misleading.

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I wonder if the ALP members from the multicultural Western Sydney electorates who overwhelmingly voted No will vote as their constituents have shown they'd want them to.
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Result and margin exactly what I thought it would be. Should be done quickly through parliament because the coalition really want this issue gone before the next election. Don't really care about the issue, there was already legal equality so it was all just semantics really. Not like the gay community are known for adherence to life long monogamy. I'm sure the legal profession will be cheering this result more than anyone.

What next for the progressive mob though? With that issue put to bed the rent a crowd are going to need something else to rally around.


Because the hetero community is? Shocked


Maybe not as much as in the past, or as much as people try to but we've got nothing on the homosexual community when it comes to dismissing monogamy.

"A classic, large-scale study by Bell and Weinberg conducted during the 1970s and published by the Kinsey Institute found that forty-three percent (43%) of white male homosexuals had had sex with 500 or more partners, and twenty-eight percent (28%) had had sex with 1,000 or more partners. Seventy-nine percent (79%) said that more than half of their sexual partners had been strangers. In 1985, Pollack found that gay men averaged “several dozen partners a year” and “some hundreds in a lifetime” with “tremendous promiscuity.” In their 1997 study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in the Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven, et al., found that “the modal range for number of sexual partners was 101-500.” In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1,000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than one thousand lifetime sexual partners."

Not too many heterosexual men could get to those numbers even if they really, really tried to (and I've known more than a few who really, really try) Laughing
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I wonder if the ALP members from the multicultural Western Sydney electorates who overwhelmingly voted No will vote as their constituents have shown they'd want them to.


Liberal stooges like Timmy the Trainspotter have been whingeing about the high no vote in Labor electorates, in a vain hope that they all will rise up and vote to save the Turnbull government.

If you check the votes in Western Sydney, the outstanding one is the seat of Blaxland, which includes the suburbs of Auburn, Bankstown and Yagoona. I seriously doubt if the people who voted no will vote Liberal or One Nation will suddenly vote conservative given the way the likes of Hansen and Bronny have treated them. Auburn is Turkish central.

However there is hope for the Liberal Party. Australia's greediest migrant, Salim Mahajer, is a true son of Lidcome, in the middle of the electorate. There are votes to be harnessed with his friends. As Bobby Dylan says, "money doesn't talk, it swears."

Meanwhile at Filipino central, Chifley, the No vote was much lower, which shows that Filipinos will vote a bit different to what the boy in the pulpit tells them, provided nobody finds out.

Anyway - the Floog's electorate voted Yes

Auburn voted No

and Maranoa voted y'no!


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What next for the progressive mob though? With that issue put to bed the rent a crowd are going to need something else to rally around.


There is the small matter of spending 86 billion pounds on a woman who waves out of carriages for a living...

If you don't like it move to the Philippines, where they don't have divorce, gay rights, sex education, anti abortion is enshrined in the constitution and Sisson and his fellow opie scumbags are opposing all contraceptives on the basis that they may be abortifants...

Every time a gay couple is married, or a couple divorces, or a woman makes the long sad journey from Ireland to England, or someone actually makes the effort to educate themselves about the physical side of their marriage/relationship as opposed to being just a parent, or somebody buys a condom, a Santamaria/Abbott/Escriva/Sisson fairy dies.


I assume your first sentence above refers to The Queen. According to Republic UK, a body hardly unlikely to understate the cost, the cost of the monarchy is £345m per annum. This is a gross cost, which would be reduced (probably to a point of surplus) if tourism were taken into account. It’s quite some way from your 86 billion pounds, so referencing your source would be helpful.

When one compares the political stability of constitutional monarchies vs. republics around the world, the cost seems well worth it.

One the plebiscite, no surprise as to the result. People will usually vote for something that costs them nothing (at least to the naked eye) but makes them feel they are nice, by supporting a lofty principle like “equality”.

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I assume your first sentence refers to The Queen. According to Republic UK, a body hardly unlikely to understate the cost, the cost of the monarchy is £345m per annum. This is a gross cost, which would be reduced (probably to a point of surplus) if tourism were taken into account. It’s quite some way from your 86 billion pounds, so referencing your source would be helpful.

When one compares the political stability of constitutional monarchies vs. republics around the world, the cost seems well worth it.


Crap - Versailles and Prague castle get in far more tourists than quoonie, the 86 billion pounds is the overall cost of the worlds richest woman, paid for by conservatives, as usual using other peoples money. As for stability, Switzerland and Ireland beg to differ. The cost of entrenching the wealth of the English few which hasn't changed much since the battle of Bosworth, is beyond calculating.


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What next for the progressive mob though? With that issue put to bed the rent a crowd are going to need something else to rally around.


There is the small matter of spending 86 billion pounds on a woman who waves out of carriages for a living...

If you don't like it move to the Philippines, where they don't have divorce, gay rights, sex education, anti abortion is enshrined in the constitution and Sisson and his fellow opie scumbags are opposing all contraceptives on the basis that they may be abortifants...

Every time a gay couple is married, or a couple divorces, or a woman makes the long sad journey from Ireland to England, or someone actually makes the effort to educate themselves about the physical side of their marriage/relationship as opposed to being just a parent, or somebody buys a condom, a Santamaria/Abbott/Escriva/Sisson fairy dies.


I assume your first sentence above refers to The Queen. According to Republic UK, a body hardly unlikely to understate the cost, the cost of the monarchy is £345m per annum. This is a gross cost, which would be reduced (probably to a point of surplus) if tourism were taken into account. It’s quite some way from your 86 billion pounds, so referencing your source would be helpful.

When one compares the political stability of constitutional monarchies vs. republics around the world, the cost seems well worth it.

One the plebiscite, no surprise as to the result. People will usually vote for something that costs them nothing (at least to the naked eye) but makes them feel they are nice, by supporting a lofty principle like “equality”.


The Crown estate provides Treasury with over $200M pounds, the Prince of Wales pays taxes voluntarily, if anything the Royal Family runs at a profit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_the_British_royal_family
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regan is true fullback wrote:
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I assume your first sentence refers to The Queen. According to Republic UK, a body hardly unlikely to understate the cost, the cost of the monarchy is £345m per annum. This is a gross cost, which would be reduced (probably to a point of surplus) if tourism were taken into account. It’s quite some way from your 86 billion pounds, so referencing your source would be helpful.

When one compares the political stability of constitutional monarchies vs. republics around the world, the cost seems well worth it.


Crap - Versailles and Prague castle get in far more tourists than quoonie, the 86 billion pounds is the overall cost of the worlds richest woman, paid for by conservatives, as usual using other peoples money. As for stability, Switzerland and Ireland beg to differ. The cost of entrenching the wealth of the English few which hasn't changed much since the battle of Bosworth, is beyond calculating.


So it seems you don’t have a source other than yourself, then. Did you just make it up ? Oh, and by the way, Bosworth is irrelevant unless Richard III was doing it on the cheap compared to Henry Tudor.

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