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David 
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Labor and the Greens have already made their position clear – they will back the bill proposed by Liberal senator Dean Smith (which contains explicit religious protections), but will vote down any further attempts by the government to widen protections to homophobic bakers and the like. Ultimately the onus is on the government to honour the result of the plebiscite as quickly as possible in a way that will be accepted by both Houses of Parliament – otherwise, they’re just stalling.
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Culprit 
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| ^^They are just stalling. I will go so far to suggest that the LNP will rather remove Turnbull and bring back Abbott to avoid making the call. |
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| David wrote: | | Labor and the Greens have already made their position clear – they will back the bill proposed by Liberal senator Dean Smith (which contains explicit religious protections), but will vote down any further attempts by the government to widen protections to homophobic bakers and the like. |
Actually I don't think it matters that much if someone doesn't want to make a cake. The word will soon get out through social media and they will lose other custom. And not just wedding cakes. In fact a cake shop advertising specials for same sex marriages , in the right area, will clean up. Some of these couples have mega bucks in comparison to the normal couple and will happily pay top dollar. Things like hire shops don't care either. They rarely ask you what event you are attending.
Places like holiday resorts advertise gay friendly on numerous websites. (Not that I surf for them) But I live in a city that has many hotels and many LBGTI visitors and it is just commensense to say what you are comfortable with. Kid friendly, pets allowed, we speak Dutch etc.
There will be a boom in weddings and those not staying with the times will lose out. Let them. The amount of retailers who object will be that small it won't matter
if a straight couple refuse to use a photographer for example because he covers gay weddings will not be prosecuted. They just say no thanks.
If I was the AJP and others I wouldn't get bogged down by little things. No one is going to get prosecuted and no one is going to care.
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David
to wish impossible things
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The Christian right, of course, aren’t going to let this go without a fight:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/31/coalition-conservatives-working-on-alternative-marriage-bill
| Quote: | Turnbull government ministers have begun jockeying over which bill will be used to legislate marriage equality, with Michael Sukkar suggesting there could be “multiple private members bills” and calling for a “no detriment” clause to allow people to reject same-sex marriage in all walks of life.
The education minister, Simon Birmingham, said on Tuesday that the bill produced by the Liberal senator Dean Smith out of recommendations from a Senate committee inquiry is “the most logical starting point” and warned his colleagues not to unwind discrimination law protections.
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On Tuesday Sukkar, the assistant minister to the treasurer, told Sky News it “doesn’t contain the full suite of protections that many of our voters would expect”.
Sukkar said that parliament will shape and amend whichever bill is used to legislate same-sex marriage, rather than the bill being negotiated through the party room.
“You’ve got to remember, there could be multiple numbers of private members bills,” he said.
Sukkar said that a “broad ranging anti-detriment provision” would “absolutely be required from my perspective”.
He said such a provision “basically says, not just for clergy ... if you’re somebody in the course of your life who expresses a view of traditional marriage, you shouldn’t suffer a detriment for that.”
Sukkar suggested people in corporations might lose their job and livelihood because of their beliefs in traditional marriage, despite the fact discrimination law prohibits people being sacked for political or religious opinion.
Sukkar also suggested that people on school boards should not suffer consequences if they “speak out about the insidious [anti-bullying program] Safe Schools”.
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Birmingham told Sky News after a yes vote the government would facilitate debate of a private members bill and there would be a free vote on amendments, with the expectation marriage equality would be legislated by the end of the year.
Birmingham said that Smith’s bill was developed from the attorney general’s exposure draft based on the recommendations from the Senate inquiry.
“Of all of the different proposals over the years that have been brought to the parliament, it is the most developed, considered, explored bill that’s been brought forward,” he said. “With that in mind I think it is the most logical starting point for a debate.” |
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ronrat
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The Christian right seem to have overlooked the facts again.
1. It is not compulsory
2. Noone is suggesting that you anyone has to agree with it.
3. No one is aying you can't voice disapproval of it on whatever grounds
4, There is no inclination that churches will have to marry who they do not wish to. They already have that right.
let them introduce private members bills and hopefully they are all defeated.
Some one ought to hit them with a big shovel with the words "secular" emblazoned on it.
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Culprit
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think positive
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Gees the first batch could have been divorcing by now what’s the hold up?
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David
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Good to see such proposals being treated with the contempt they deserve by pro-equality Coalition and Labor MPs.
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David
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thesoretoothsayer
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Yeah, funny that all those thousands of gay teenagers that were going to throw themselves off buildings at the thought of a SSM debate, didn't.
The gay teenagers I know relished the opportunity to get involved in the debate. |
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stui magpie 
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Yeah, interesting. I'm sure you'll hear and read very little like this, as it proves all the handwringing arguments against having the postal vote were rubbish.
We held a voluntary postal vote so people could have their say, and they did. In greater numbers than in the Irish referendum and with less angst. With a few exceptions, generally both sides of the debate behaved well.
All that's left to do now is put the bill to amend the marriage act to Parliament and finish this.
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HAL
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| The red one, I think. |
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Culprit
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stui magpie
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David
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Yep. Liberal moderates alone will be enough to kill these proposals with fire, one suspects. As they should.
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