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Morrigu 
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https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/magda-szubanski-shares-heartbreaking-account-inequality-project/
"It is not just about love. It is about illness and death. That is when it really comes to the crunch.
I've been a nurse a long long time - her recounting the story of a same sex partner being excluded unfortunately brings back real and painful memories. 
It needs to change!!!
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watt price tully 
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| Morrigu wrote: | https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/magda-szubanski-shares-heartbreaking-account-inequality-project/
"It is not just about love. It is about illness and death. That is when it really comes to the crunch.
I've been a nurse a long long time - her recounting the story of a same sex partner being excluded unfortunately brings back real and painful memories.
It needs to change!!! |
Yep. This plebiscite shite is just time wasting rubbish forced on the rest of us a small minority of right wing lunatic fringe of the Liberal party.
The marriage act was changed by John Howard to exclude same sex couples without a plebiscite and without a referendum - Sneaky scumbag that he was. Even the ignominy being voted out of his own electorate in 2007 isn't & wasn't enough payback.
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stui magpie 
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| Morrigu wrote: | https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/magda-szubanski-shares-heartbreaking-account-inequality-project/
"It is not just about love. It is about illness and death. That is when it really comes to the crunch.
I've been a nurse a long long time - her recounting the story of a same sex partner being excluded unfortunately brings back real and painful memories.
It needs to change!!! |
Does that still happen?
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Not only bringing out the bad
| Quote: | A CHURCH in Melbourne has shown its support for marriage equality, and said that it wants to be the first church to marry a same-sex couple.
St Michaels Uniting Church on Collins Street has placed a large rainbow sign on their church that states MARRIAGE EQUALITY YES.
The photo, which emerged on the churchs Facebook page, also features a message from Executive Minister Reverend Ric Holland.
He was quoted as saying: We stand in total opposition to the so-called Christian Lobby. Lyle Sheltons views are homophobic and contrary to the spirit of Christianity and the teaching of Jesus, who took a firm stand on equality. |
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/st-michaels-uniting-church-in-melbourne-wants-to-be-first-church-to-marry-aussie-same-sex-couples/news-story/c6010f83fd7d7046bc8aea45c992ba45
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thesoretoothsayer
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I'm starting to think that, unfortunately, this vote may be closer than people expect. As Jezza said in another thread:
| Quote: | | I feel like we learnt nothing from last year. None of the polls are trustworthy. |
When people are polled they'll repeat the "correct" or "acceptable" opinion.
They want to avoid the social censor of having the "wrong" opinion.
However, in the privacy of the ballot box (or postal vote) they're free to express their real thoughts.
Also, people seem to take perverse delight in voting against the dictums of the media and cultural elite. |
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think positive 
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That's brilliant
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David
I dare you to try
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That's fantastic, Stui.
| thesoretoothsayer wrote: | I'm starting to think that, unfortunately, this vote may be closer than people expect. As Jezza said in another thread:
| Quote: | | I feel like we learnt nothing from last year. None of the polls are trustworthy. |
When people are polled they'll repeat the "correct" or "acceptable" opinion.
They want to avoid the social censor of having the "wrong" opinion.
However, in the privacy of the ballot box (or postal vote) they're free to express their real thoughts.
Also, people seem to take perverse delight in voting against the dictums of the media and cultural elite. |
Part of me worries that you're right, but I read this piece today which took a different view:
http://insidestory.org.au/a-nice-set-of-numbers/
| Quote: | For example, in the Guardian Australia, Essential Media boss Peter Lewis quotes his own survey figures of 57 per cent in favour and 32 per cent against, and writes, If everyone voted, there would clearly be a majority [in favour], but the optional vote means this postal survey is not an exercise in persuasion, rather one of mobilisation.
I would flip this formulation around. Its impossible to imagine uneven turnout undoing a 25 per cent lead. Trump, Brexit and this years British election produced turnout-induced shocks, but they were in the order of a few per cent. Characterising churches and other No groups as possessing a much greater capacity to enthuse and mobilise than marriage supporters seems a rather old-fashioned, and perhaps Americanised, view of Australian society. |
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Skids 
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The lefts response to this should make for some entertaining viewing.
Aboriginal petition against gay marriage
A group of senior Aboriginal leaders is petitioning federal parliament to oppose same-sex marriage.
The Uluru bark petition, backed by leaders of 70 different indigenous cultural groups from Queensland to Western Australia, was formally delivered to Speaker Tony Smith on Thursday.
The group opposes same-sex marriage on the basis that traditional unions between a man and a woman have always been upheld amongst the oldest living culture on earth.
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/08/20/11/10/aboriginal-petition-against-gay-marriage
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David
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I doubt the nation's Muslims are exactly lining up to support it either. At the end of the day, recognising religious freedom and cultural pluralism is as important as ensuring the state's freedom from religious control. The elders are, like Christian church leaders, of course entitled to their opinions.
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thesoretoothsayer
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Just a reminder that there are dickheads on both sides:
An Australia Post mail centre in Canberra was evacuated in the early hours of Friday morning after a package containing white powder, addressed to the Australian Christian Lobby, was discovered. |
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watt price tully
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The optional plebiscite is a joke and a waste of money and represents the last gasps of air from the lunatic right wing of the Lib/Nats holding Turnbull to ransom. Same sex marriage is going to occur. It's just the timing.
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ronrat
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| Skids wrote: | The lefts response to this should make for some entertaining viewing.
Aboriginal petition against gay marriage
A group of senior Aboriginal leaders is petitioning federal parliament to oppose same-sex marriage.
The Uluru bark petition, backed by leaders of 70 different indigenous cultural groups from Queensland to Western Australia, was formally delivered to Speaker Tony Smith on Thursday.
The group opposes same-sex marriage on the basis that traditional unions between a man and a woman have always been upheld amongst the oldest living culture on earth.
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/08/20/11/10/aboriginal-petition-against-gay-marriage |
I dare someone in the media to ring up Goodes and Lamumba to comment.
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stui magpie
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| watt price tully wrote: | | The optional plebiscite is a joke and a waste of money and represents the last gasps of air from the lunatic right wing of the Lib/Nats holding Turnbull to ransom. Same sex marriage is going to occur. It's just the timing. |
It's a large opinion poll that has seen young people enrol in record numbers.
if you want to shove one up the lunatic right, just vote yes and let the rest happen.
Let's not forget a conscience vote was put forward in the lower house in 2012 and defeated 98 to 42.
Yes, the Libs nats voted on Party lines with No, but there was obviously plenty of Labor no voters too, including the then PM.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-19/same-sex-marriage-bill-voted-down/4270016#votestable
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Wokko 
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| Morrigu wrote: | Same-sex marriage advocates say anti-LGBTI poster in Melbourne inaccurate, distressing
Same-sex marriage advocates say a confronting poster in Melbourne shows how hurtful and "mean spirited" the debate is becoming ahead of a national postal vote on the issue.
The anti-LGBTI poster, seen in Heffernan Lane, says "Stop the fags" with an image of two hands holding rainbow coloured belts and a child sitting with its head down.
The poster includes statistics credited to Donald Paul Sullins, a priest at Catholic University of America whose research has been widely discredited.
The sign, which has been shared widely on Twitter, includes claims: "92 per cent of children raised by gay parents are abused. 51 per cent have depression. 72 per cent are obese."
Victorian Human Rights commissioner Kristen Hilton said the poster was deeply offensive and inaccurate.
"It looks like [this type of message] is set to continue and I think that's a really disturbing trend," she said.
"I think that people need to call that out and condemn this type of material.
"Yes, people are entitled to have different views, but in a debate like this it's really important to convey those views respectfully."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-21/advocates-slam-anti-lgbti-poster-on-melbourne-street/8828566
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Aaaand, it was bullshit.
No poster, just a lefty false flag and media frenzy. *yawn*
<edit: link added: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/andrew-bolt-frenzied-untruths-the-poster-child-for-australias-ugly-gaymarriage-campaign/news-story/3e0fc9433aab47915edaa212ef7570ac>
| Quote: | First, no one could find evidence of a second such poster anywhere, not even on social media. Melbourne City Council said it knew of no others.
But why would gay marriage opponents put up just one poster, and in an obscure laneway?
In fact, who even saw that original poster?
The council sent a worker to Heffernan Lane last Monday but found nothing.
The far-Left Crikey site visited on Tuesday and couldnt find even the pro-same-sex marriage poster said to have been plastered over the rude one.
Leach-McGill, the only person with a photo of the original poster, then conceded hed actually been sent it by a friend.
So lets sum up. Someone unknown sent a Leftist a picture of a rude poster in an obscure lane thats been seen by no one else. No one knows who put it up, whether opponents of same-sex marriage or supporters trying to discredit them.
Yet politicians, activists and the media beat this up into a story of Melbourne plastered with hateful posters even on bus stops thanks to Turnbulls plebiscite.
How much such fakery and bullying have we have seen from the activists already? How much abuse and threats against their opponents? |
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watt price tully
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| stui magpie wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | The optional plebiscite is a joke and a waste of money and represents the last gasps of air from the lunatic right wing of the Lib/Nats holding Turnbull to ransom. Same sex marriage is going to occur. It's just the timing. |
It's a large opinion poll that has seen young people enrol in record numbers.
if you want to shove one up the lunatic right, just vote yes and let the rest happen.
Let's not forget a conscience vote was put forward in the lower house in 2012 and defeated 98 to 42.
Yes, the Libs nats voted on Party lines with No, but there was obviously plenty of Labor no voters too, including the then PM.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-19/same-sex-marriage-bill-voted-down/4270016#votestable |
Coupla things:
Almost all of the pollsters say this is not an accurate way to guage public opinion.
They all agree it is far too expensive and too inaccurate.
So the vote is expensive and inaccurate.
This includes the Lib supporter Gary Morgan
John Howard changed the marriage act independently
The times they are a changing
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