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stui magpie 
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Marilyn Manson?
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Marilyn Manson? |
Babble, Babble, Bitch, Bitch
Rebel, Rebel, Party, Party
Sex, sex, sex, don't forget the violence
Blah, blah, blah
Got your lovey-dovey sad and lonely
Stick your stupid slogan in
Everybody sing along...
Yeah... I like him!
or her..
or it.. |
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Bucks5 
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Australian population = 1,264. Source 2016 ABS Census
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Morrigu
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^ hmmm makes you wonder why the traffics so bad then! 
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think positive 
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| 5150 wrote: | | think positive wrote: | Done, some funny questions
How much housework has hubby done? Now that got a reaction, ditto for the kids
Do I need help getting dressed and out of bed? Only when drunk
Income- unpaid work in family business!
Pretty light on in choice of gender |
This is going to open up a can of worms, but there are only two types of gender.
Science backs that up.
What else is were you looking to put in? |
Nah I'm not going back there!
(But if you need you can enter a different choice on the paper one apparently!)
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David
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Gender is a social phenomenon, not really a scientific one (well, unless you count sociology as a science!). If we're talking about an individual's sex, that can only be male, female or some combination of the two (i.e. intersex).
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think positive
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| David wrote: | | Gender is a social phenomenon, not really a scientific one (well, unless you count sociology as a science!). If we're talking about an individual's sex, that can only be male, female or some combination of the two (i.e. intersex). |
They could easily have added an other with the comments box as other questions had!
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | Gender is a social phenomenon, not really a scientific one (well, unless you count sociology as a science!). If we're talking about an individual's sex, that can only be male, female or some combination of the two (i.e. intersex). |
Depends.
Many in fact quite probably the majority use the terms Gender and Sex interchangeably. When a census form asks for your Gender, it's asking what your sex is, not your gender role. Lets take a practical approach to this, not an academic one.
The generally accepted options for this question are Male, Female, Other.
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David
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Does it actually use the word 'gender'? If so, that's a little odd. In casual usage, it's fine, but you'd think in an official government record they'd use language a little more carefully, as these words have fundamentally distinct meanings in pretty much every relevant scientific or academic field.
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Morrigu
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^ we use gender in health
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | Does it actually use the word 'gender'? If so, that's a little odd. In casual usage, it's fine, but you'd think in an official government record they'd use language a little more carefully, as these words have fundamentally distinct meanings in pretty much every relevant scientific or academic field. |
No, they don't
| Quote: | | The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not. |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
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Pies4shaw 
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| Not that I could care less - but, legally speaking, the Australian answer to that particular issue would be the one which is found in the Macquarie Dictionary. Someone should feel free to look. |
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stui magpie
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I'm not interested in using a dictionary that requires subscriptions, but if it agrees with David then maybe government departments should subscribe.
Or else accept that common usage eventually supplants the academic minority.
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Pies4shaw
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| The ABS has published its standards for sex and gender classification and criteria, revised as recently as February 2016. I can't post the link but the ABS catalogue number is 1200.0.55.012. If you google "ABS standard for sex and gender variables" you should get the link. The "underlying concepts" and "classification and coding" tabs in that publication will answer all questions concerning how the ABS treats the issues of "gender" and "sex". In short, each is divided into male, female and other but the classification instructions are different for each. |
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stui magpie
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Did the census online just now. Took 15 minutes.
Interesting the question about sex/gender didn't use either term, it just said "Is Stuart Male or Female?", Then said if you want to identify as something other you need to fill in a paper form.
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