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thompsoc 



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:19 pm
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Magpietothemax wrote:
thompsoc wrote:
BucksIsFutureCoach wrote:
I'd like to thank the selection committee for having the guts to accept that enough is enough with the insipid performance that a few of the senior players have been putting up this year. If Cloke is unhappy with his treatment from the senior coach I would say to him please shut the door on the way out of Holden centre. I would say to Williams the same thing as Cloke and assist their request to transfer to the club of their choice. Then we might have players who actually want to play for the club where the concept of winning means something.

Winning doesn't mean much at Collingwood!
It is all about ego's.
Eddie
Bux
Pert
But keep believing the side by side mantra.
And we don't eat our own!

Agree Thompsoc. I am disgusted by these posters who, because of their blind faith in Buckley. disparage so vitriolically our players. The assertion that winning does not mean anything to Travis Cloke or Marley Williams is disgusting. "Shut the door on the way out" to one of our great Centre Half Forwards, hey? And really, when you watch Williams' blind, catapulting energy, irrespective of his skill errors, are you going to claim that winning means nothing to him?
Just tired of that crap. These guys are not getting the necessary skills training that other teams are getting. We are clearly below par in refining the skills and delivery of our team. Our current coaching regime is simply not getting the best out of our players.

Thanks Magpietothemax.
You are lucky to get a power forward once every generation.
And to see Posters rubbish his value is disturbing.
Everybody knows that he is down on form.
But you don't bbq a power forward lightly.
But then again Mr Kickless is powering on.

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Darcy Moore will kick 5 goals and Oxley 4. Wills will be BOG. I just hope Rupert doesn't get reported for slam dunking Bottempelli into the hard Etihad turf.

That is your quote, isn't it?
Darcy Moore 5...well I guess that he did get 4 the time before last against the Wbulldogs so maybe not zero probability but...Oxley 4......what??
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:52 pm
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Is it only a guess? Yes he did, didn't he.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:25 am
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Darcy Moore will kick 5 goals and Oxley 4. Wills will be BOG. I just hope Rupert doesn't get reported for slam dunking Bottempelli into the hard Etihad turf.

That is your quote, isn't it?
Darcy Moore 5...well I guess that he did get 4 the time before last against the Wbulldogs so maybe not zero probability but...Oxley 4......what??


So Collingwood not to kick a Goal Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:30 am
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Once again Nathan Buckley bewilders and stupefies me with his totally incomprehensible and unjust selection "system". Whatever anyone may claim otherwise, I could not care less. Travis Cloke is still our best forward. To omit him yet again is just ...what ...words fail me... insane? vindictive? Cloke was way better than several others in the team who got to keep their position, including Jarrod Blair. I have never criticized Blair here, and I will not start now. But he clearly played a far inferior game to Cloke last Friday night. Cloke was also clearly superior to Jesse White as well.
Why are willingly decimating our own forward line by leaving out Cloke who had a fair game last week and leaving in others who were ineffectual?
This entire perspective of getting rid of Cloke, astonishes me. Who do we have, in the immediate term, to replace Cloke? The arguments advanced, that Cloke does not suit us, because we are not an accurately delivering midfield, amaze me. Why would we get rid of Cloke, rather than improve the accuracy of our delivery? I am just astounded by this whole campaign against Cloke, which in reality emanated from Buckley and has gripped unfortunately it seems to me the majority here. This latest selection debacle is probably the final touch to a grotesque farce. Why would we not keep Cloke for one more year as Darcy Moore develops? Crazy stuff, and this latest selection debacle is just the last straw for me in deducing that Nathan Buckley is not going to lead us forward to our next Premiership


I wish there was a like button here,because that post was right on the money.


100% this. Even the Blair bit.

The man is a human power trip.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:32 am
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Dave The Man wrote:
Magpietothemax wrote:
RudeBoy wrote:


Darcy Moore will kick 5 goals and Oxley 4. Wills will be BOG. I just hope Rupert doesn't get reported for slam dunking Bottempelli into the hard Etihad turf.

That is your quote, isn't it?
Darcy Moore 5...well I guess that he did get 4 the time before last against the Wbulldogs so maybe not zero probability but...Oxley 4......what??


So Collingwood not to kick a Goal Rolling Eyes

We will surely kick goals, just not enough of them. I do not have the same feeling of optimism that I had before the GWS game.
Our midfield is great, as you mentioned (assuming Pendles is OK) and can match theirs. But they are fantastic defensive side, and with that forward line, I cannot see how we can possibly kick enough to win. To suggest that Oxley can kick 4, a guy who has never as yet played forward for us, is fantasy in mho.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:43 am
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Stupid me actually bought a ticket, first time to Etihad in a long time and the halfwit picks that team?

If Buckley is coach next year we could see some record lows shattered for attendance...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:14 am
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I think the loss of Reid is far more significant than the omission of Cloke, as far as our chances go. Cloke is now good for about a goal a game (plus one or two agonising misses from 20 out), and others can do that without making us so slow and cumbersome.
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People need to take a deep breath and realise the season is over on every level and has been for a while. Forget about pride and finishing off the season and all that other rhetoric as the selections are focused on 2017 and not about winning.

As for team selection goes, Cloke or Moore? On FORM, Moore is in front by the length of the Flemington straight. Reid, Cox, Crocker are all injured. Williams had an absolute shocker and had to be dropped. The reason only five changes is that we would hit six or more and that is panic stations. In saying that if Pendles is carrying any injury he should not play.

To add someone posted play the players to increase their trade value? I just chuckle away at that as if their form continues on a downward slide you will get even less under that theory. The club makes decisions on who they will cull and what they hope to get and what they will most likely get in return.

Just head out and do something else and let's look forward to the 2017, draft, father and son pick ups and practice matches
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MagpieBat wrote:
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Don't play Sinclair, Pendles and Moore the game means absolutely nothing.
Put them in cotton wool and save them for 2017
Might as well play Cloke and see if he can actually do something to warrant being around in 2017 and Cox needs experience
Wills stays in for the rest of the season as long as it doesn't hurt his VFL finals chances same with Aish.
Don't care who comes in really not expecting much. They have loads to play for normally I would say we have pride to play for but after last week we mightn't have much pride left seeing we lost to those toothless wonders.


Wills has long had his eligibility locked in. Aish, on the other hand, needs to return to the VFL for the last 3 games to become eligible. I've always considered him best 22, so keeping him in the seniors is probably preferable.

One player who is ripe for dropping (and subsequent qualification), particularly with Sinclair lurking, is Williams...


Cheers MB wasn't sure on rules of eligibility for playing AFL games. Think finals experience of any kind will benefit Wills greatly. Aish is a different kettle of fish as he has it from the SANFL so it's not as important
I see Williams has been omitted really on form
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I don't get the carrying on by so many about selections. The seasons been over for weeks.
Why would you risk Reid under any circumstances ?
Why give Cloke and Williams any more chances ?
Why risk Cox ?
Give Oxley a chance to see what he offers forward makes sense.
Give Phillips a few games see what he's got after missing a couple weeks
Moore is obviously right so he is automatic selection
I actually like the team think it has more run in it against a side who likes to run and carry.
Our forward line looks more mobile and they don't have big defenders so we need mobility. Oxley has a defensive game so hopefully he and the poisoned dwarf can apply pressure on there HBF line
Our back line looks ok Goldy always does the job and has been good in the seconds according to match reports
Result doesn't matter effort and structure matter after last week
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Results don't matter seems to be the Buckley play book. As soon as that zone shit starts those tough little bastards will make us pay, and it will get ugly very fast.

So you've given up on Williams and Cloke? Who's next? Why not ship out all the players?

I'm sure somewhere there is an easier, better option, can't for the life of me grasp it!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:07 am
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Magpietothemax wrote:
thompsoc wrote:
BucksIsFutureCoach wrote:
I'd like to thank the selection committee for having the guts to accept that enough is enough with the insipid performance that a few of the senior players have been putting up this year. If Cloke is unhappy with his treatment from the senior coach I would say to him please shut the door on the way out of Holden centre. I would say to Williams the same thing as Cloke and assist their request to transfer to the club of their choice. Then we might have players who actually want to play for the club where the concept of winning means something.

Winning doesn't mean much at Collingwood!
It is all about ego's.
Eddie
Bux
Pert
But keep believing the side by side mantra.
And we don't eat our own!

Agree Thompsoc. I am disgusted by these posters who, because of their blind faith in Buckley. disparage so vitriolically our players. The assertion that winning does not mean anything to Travis Cloke or Marley Williams is disgusting. "Shut the door on the way out" to one of our great Centre Half Forwards, hey? And really, when you watch Williams' blind, catapulting energy, irrespective of his skill errors, are you going to claim that winning means nothing to him?
Just tired of that crap. These guys are not getting the necessary skills training that other teams are getting. We are clearly below par in refining the skills and delivery of our team. Our current coaching regime is simply not getting the best out of our players.


This is the most damning aspect of Buckleys tenure as coach.
He has not had the ability to improve most players in the list into A graders or AA.
Beams is the only player that improved beyond natural progression into an AA.
Jamie Elliott is the only other that would be close to a massive improver.

Either way, more have gone backwards than forwards.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:07 am
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Magpietothemax wrote:
thompsoc wrote:
BucksIsFutureCoach wrote:
I'd like to thank the selection committee for having the guts to accept that enough is enough with the insipid performance that a few of the senior players have been putting up this year. If Cloke is unhappy with his treatment from the senior coach I would say to him please shut the door on the way out of Holden centre. I would say to Williams the same thing as Cloke and assist their request to transfer to the club of their choice. Then we might have players who actually want to play for the club where the concept of winning means something.

Winning doesn't mean much at Collingwood!
It is all about ego's.
Eddie
Bux
Pert
But keep believing the side by side mantra.
And we don't eat our own!

Agree Thompsoc. I am disgusted by these posters who, because of their blind faith in Buckley. disparage so vitriolically our players. The assertion that winning does not mean anything to Travis Cloke or Marley Williams is disgusting. "Shut the door on the way out" to one of our great Centre Half Forwards, hey? And really, when you watch Williams' blind, catapulting energy, irrespective of his skill errors, are you going to claim that winning means nothing to him?
Just tired of that crap. These guys are not getting the necessary skills training that other teams are getting. We are clearly below par in refining the skills and delivery of our team. Our current coaching regime is simply not getting the best out of our players.


This is the most damning aspect of Buckleys tenure as coach.
He has not had the ability to improve most players in the list into A graders or AA.
Beams is the only player that improved beyond natural progression into an AA.
Jamie Elliott is the only other that would be close to a massive improver.

Either way, more have gone backwards than forwards.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:54 am
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We are just so incredibly weak in the key positions. Our defensive 6 must be the most inexperienced and ineffectual in decades (Goldsack at CHB, really? he was a mediocre back flanker!). All the back 6 youngsters are long shot recruits in the draft, and might never turn out, though they have upsides. And there's no general, ala Maxwell, to organise the whole thing and get the best out of the group.

Our front six is similarly untested and lacking firepower - no Elliot, Swan, Cloke, a good crumber really hurts. BUT having said that, Swan is almost done, and Cloke IS probably done. So we're going to need to get some new blood quick, I'd say mature age recruits because Pendles and Sidey aren't getting any younger. The Cox experiment has probably failed, but maybe it's too soon to say that.

Anyway, injuries play a real part in all this crap, but I think probably the focus on recruiting mids has too. Who knows. But it doesn't seem obvious where the growth is going to come.

But either way full support to the team going out there tonight, not much fun following a sport when you spend 9/10ths of the time complaining about everything.

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