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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| Your purpose is the record he or she don't much care for dogs as a rule. Cats have a mind of their own. |
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think positive 
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| Tannin wrote: | Yes, he sounds a bit gung-ho. If the cat had been wearing a collar, it would be much harder to justify his action.
Feral cats, in my experience, can be mangy-looking things or pictures of glossy-coated health. You seem to see the mangy ones in the cities mostly. In the bush, only the fittest creatures survive.
PS: emotion doesn't come into this. It's about facts. But for the record, I don't much care for dogs as a rule, and I am very fond of cats. |
Fair enough, cheers
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| Tannin wrote: | The judge screwed up, big time.
1: Landholders have the right to control feral pest species on their property. You don't need permission, or a permit of any kind. It is your right. *
2: You as the landholder can be prosecuted for failing to control feral species. (This certainly applies to certain declared plant species I know about, I'm not sure which if any animals are included. Failing to control pest animal species will certainly make you a pariah amongst your neighbours - people get really shirty with a landholder who refuses to control ferals and buggers things up for everybody else.)
3: Cats are a feral pest.
4: Pet owners are required by law to keep their pets under control and, where appropriate, restrict them to the boundaries of their own property.
5: Landholders have the legal right to destroy animals which are worrying their livestock. A landholder can, for example, shoot a dog if (according to that landholder) it is worrying his sheep. This applies even if the animal is a pet and wearing a collar. **
6: The cat in question was not wearing a collar to identify it as a pet, and was thus indistinguishable from a feral animal. This is the pet owner's responsibility and he failed to discharge it.
Summary: no case to answer. That judge should be strung up on a predator-proof fence.
* Of course, the method you use must itself be legal. For example, to use phostoxin to fumigate rabbit burrows, you must hold a current Agricultural Chemical User's Permit; to use a rifle you must be suitably licenced for it; to use 1080 you must have a 1080 endorsement on your permit and follow the prescribed procedures, and so on.
** I have personal experience with this one - a scumbag neighbour once deliberately left fresh sheep offal lying around on his land to entice my partner's dog onto his property so that he could shoot it. There was no question of the dog harming his livestock, but the police could do absolutely nothing about it, other than inspect his shooting licence. (He hid his automatic weapons before they called, of course.) |
Unfortunately for the convicted felon on the end of this particular gun, it is quite illegal to shoot cats under any circumstances in some jurisdictions. |
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Skids 
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Location: Joined 3/6/02 . Member #175
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| Morrigu wrote: | | Skids wrote: | | Morrigu wrote: | | Skids wrote: | | I hate cats. Shoot on sight! |
What if you and your ilk could race them to make a few bucks and " be a winner" 
Oh and look up the stats re the damage done to native wildlife and farmed livestock by feral domestic breed dogs - that result ( as do cats) from humans irresponsible behaviour!!! |
What a strange response  I've never been involved with greyhound racing, nor was the question of feral dogs raised. |
You race horses don't you?
Feral domestic breed dogs cause as much if not more damage to our native animals as cats and in addition they kill many livestock - you proposed an argument to shoot cats on sight because of the damage they inflict - well it ain't just cats and if stupid fckhead humans actually took some responsibility ( fat chance!!) then we wouldn't have so many feral cats or dogs 😈
Strangely enough I've sutured many many more wounds from naughty naughty dogs attacking humans including rug rats in suburbia and the outback than I have ever from cats!!!! |
Yes, I have been involved with race horses for over 2 decades. Make money from them?  I wish! It's cost me tens of thousands of dollars to; purchase, train, feed, vet and transport them. Just recently (since 2014) have I been lucky enough to be involved with a couple that are actually super competitive.
Each horse I've had a share in that couldn't cut it on the race track was 'given', that's right, given, to good homes.
My cousin owns a 7 acre property in the Swan Valley and is involved in Polo, all but 2 have gone to her, if they're not still competing, they just hang out on the property. One of the others (since passed away at 25) was used at a stable as a lead horse for the younger ones due to his gentle nature and the other still competes, as an 11 y.o, in endurance bush racing and he loves it!
Horses are born to run, they love it. You only have to watch a few together in the spelling paddock to see this. They are fed and treated extremely well from what I have witnessed in all my time spent with them. They train hard for a few months, race for another few and then spell for 2 - 4 months.... what a life! I love my horses.
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/born-to-run
In considering the ethics of the sport, the first question we must ask is: Do horses like racing? Laura Hillenbrand, author of the epic 2001 bestseller Seabiscuit, argues that they do — that they love running, are fiercely competitive, and would race with each other, with us or without. “Horses who lose their riders during races almost always try to win anyway, charging to the lead and sometimes bucking with pleasure as they pass the last opponent,” she tells us. “Weanling herds stampede around their paddocks several times a day, running all-out to beat one another. Even old stallions, decades away from the track, still duel with one another up and down the fences of breeding farms.” Hillenbrand notes that Seabiscuit’s occasional rider, the great jockey George Woolf, observed how “losers show clear signs of dejection and frustration, even shame; winners prick their ears and swagger.” “You don’t have to tell good horses when they win or lose,” Woolf said. “They know.”
I have also ensured the horses I have been involved with have been treated better than most people treat their pets!
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| I am glad you find this funny. I am glad you find this funny. I am glad you find this funny. I hope your dreams come true. |
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David
I dare you to try
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HAL has either become a spoken word poet or gone mad (truth be told, there's not a huge distinction there).
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| Thanks for the information. |
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Skids
Quitting drinking will be one of the best choices you make in your life.
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And Morrigu, I don't really hate cats. Feral cats, yes, but not the little fluffy ones that sit on my lap at my Mother in-laws house 
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| Skids wrote: | | And Morrigu, I don't really hate cats. Feral cats, yes, but not the little fluffy ones that sit on my lap at my Mother in-laws house |
Well you know I'm a fruit loop - so hate all and shoot on sight was always going to get a bite! 
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Tannin
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What happens when you shoot a fruit loop?
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| Tannin wrote: | | What happens when you shoot a fruit loop? |
He says I'm shot to be sitting here
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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| Tannin wrote: | | What happens when you shoot a fruit loop? |
You get skittles?
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Morrigu
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| Tannin wrote: | | What happens when you shoot a fruit loop? |
I'm guessing if you didn't kill the fruit loop then you are in big trouble
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Tannin
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| Tannin wrote: | | What happens when you shoot a fruit loop? |
Nothing, 'coz it's got a hole in the middle.*
* Answer holds true provided there is compliance with certain necessary assumptions including but not limited to perfect aim at the precise centre of the fruit loop; calibre of bullet equal to or smaller than internal diameter of fruit loop; shot fired from 90 degree angle or some lesser angle as calculated from the difference between external diameter of bullet and internal diameter of fruit loop, the transverse depth of the fruit loop, and the angle of incidence of the projectile; distance between firearm and fruit loop sufficient to obviate excessive aerodynamic intercontact; plus assorted other factors as produced by the fertile brains of Nikc's Collingwood Bulletin Board, Victoria Park Tavern subsection. By being in the same room, network or universe as this disclaimer you assent to its terms and agree to accept all consequences, pay any and all fines and absolve the poster of responsibility for all consequences including but not limited to shattered fruit loops, nuclear war, your sister's acne, and death of or injury to the person holding the fruit loop.
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Morrigu
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Nope sorry I have looked and looked but I cannot find a hole in my middle - there is evidence that such a hole may have at one time existed but alas it is long long gone!
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