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pietillidie
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Of course, if there were no immigrants, watchers of professional tabloid airheads would be paid huuuuuuuge salaries for sharing their vital knowledge of who said what on which blog about which stunning controversy!
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Pies4shaw 
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| David wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | I think Bolta's got a mancrush  |
Well, perhaps he does: apparently for Milo (see link in previous post) 'sex between “younger boys” and older men could be a “coming-of-age relationship … in which those older men help those younger boys discover who they are”.' |
I seem to recall Stephen Fry saying something similar at one stage. It may seem repellent to us, but I'm also aware that gay men who make such claims are often simply reflecting on their own experiences as teenagers – and that leads us to the rather substantial problem of either having to assert their victimhood while they deny it, or accepting that such matters are rather more complicated than our culture insists. |
I don't think Stephen Fry - whenever and whatever he said - was doing so under the guise of "fearless debunker of the politically correct". Personally, I couldn't care less about the content of this man's views. What is incredibly hilarious, though, is his complete inability to understand the limits of his own role - as a complete nobody, he gets airtime only to the extent that right-wing people might be expected to agree with him in significant numbers. I think he may now have received that memo. Hoisting, petards and so forth.
What is the next career-move for a journalist who is apparently so unpalatable that everyone at Breitbart wants him sacked? Short of becoming VP or White House Press Secretary, is there actually a job left (I use that word advisedly) for him? |
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Jezza 
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Milo's statement:
| Quote: | I am a gay man, and a child abuse victim.
I would like to restate my utter disgust at adults who sexually abuse minors. I am horrified by pedophilia and I have devoted large portions of my career as a journalist to exposing child abusers. I've outed three of them, in fact -- three more than most of my critics. And I've repeatedly expressed disgust at pedophilia in my feature and opinion writing. My professional record is very clear.
But I do understand that these videos, even though some of them are edited deceptively, paint a different picture.
I'm partly to blame. My own experiences as a victim led me to believe I could say anything I wanted to on this subject, no matter how outrageous. But I understand that my usual blend of British sarcasm, provocation and gallows humor might have come across as flippancy, a lack of care for other victims or, worse, "advocacy." I deeply regret that. People deal with things from their past in different ways.
As to some of the specific claims being made, sometimes things tumble out of your mouth on these long, late-night live-streams, when everyone is spit-balling, that are incompletely expressed or not what you intended. Nonetheless, I've reviewed the tapes that appeared last night in their proper full context and I don't believe they say what is being reported.
I do not advocate for illegal behavior. I explicitly say on the tapes that I think the current age of consent is "about right."
I do not believe sex with 13-year-olds is okay. When I mentioned the number 13, I was talking about the age I lost my own virginity.
I shouldn't have used the word "boy" -- which gay men often do to describe young men of consenting age -- instead of "young man." That was an error.
I am certainly guilty of imprecise language, which I regret.
Anyone who suggests I turn a blind eye to illegal activity or to the abuse of minors is unequivocally wrong. I am implacably opposed to the normalization of pedophilia and I will continue to report and speak accordingly.
Previous statement: https://www.facebook.com/myiannopoulos/posts/851263248344905 |
https://www.facebook.com/myiannopoulos/posts/851826321621931
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Pies4shaw
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Yep - he's going to get out of this one just fine - that's what a genuinely razor-sharp intellect can do for you:
"How was this smirking void ever taken seriously? He had enablers. Not just CPac, Breitbart and Simon & Schuster, but his editors at the Telegraph, magazines who cooed over him, and every TV producer who booked him to say something outrageous while batting his eyelashes like Princess Diana. Like Trump, he is the logical outcome of a grotesque convergence of politics, entertainment and the internet in which an empty vessel can thrive unchecked by turning hate speech into showbusiness. Well, until now. Until the clown prince of outrage finally outraged the wrong people."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/21/milo-yiannopoulos-rise-and-fall-shallow-actor-bad-guy-hate-speech
And here's a relatively mild swipe at the good folk who let things like Milo happen:
"His associates are the ascendant racist and neo-fascist movements of our time. He was a means to repackage their hatred for a certain demographic: as edgy, trendy, cool. Performative fascism, if you like. That’s why they call themselves the “alt-right”, after all: allowing them to cloak themselves not as a renaissance of fascist movements that have produced only human carnage in their previous incarnations, but as a sexy in-group and subculture that all the new cool kids are part of."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/21/milo-yiannopoulos-enablers-contempt-alt-right-bigotry
So, if you've read this guy's incoherent bile and found yourself sharing his outrage at the power exerted over you by the poor, ostracised and dispossessed, feel free to ask yourself - "How cool do I feel?" |
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Jezza
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Do you only read The Guardian?
Milo is not a part of this broadly defined group known as the alt-right if anyone cared to listen to him in the first place. Much of the alt-right hates him, but of course Owen Jones lives in his echo chamber, like the typical champagne socialist he is.
The real alt-right figure to go after is Richard Spencer who actually espouses extreme views, in contrast to Milo, who is somehow conflated with real extremists like Spencer and where he's repeatedly accused of being a white supremacist which is incorrect and the mainstream media has had to retract on numerous occasions.
Milo's a provocateur and his comments and views were very inappropriate and unacceptable in this instance, but fundamentally, I've agreed with much of what he says about the concept of free speech, his criticism of the safe space and trigger warning culture on college campuses and his views on the madness of third-wave feminism.
Not sure where he goes from here, but I don't think he'll disappear from the spotlight completely, but this has been very detrimental to his public profile without doubt.
I also think he has a few hidden demons he's yet to confront when it comes to being a victim of abuse as a child.
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stui magpie 
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I wouldn't know this Milo character if he popped out of a green can in my pantry.
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| Jezza wrote: | Do you only read The Guardian?
Milo is not a part of this broadly defined group known as the alt-right if anyone cared to listen to him in the first place. Much of the alt-right hates him, but of course Owen Jones lives in his echo chamber, like the typical champagne socialist he is.
The real alt-right figure to go after is Richard Spencer who actually espouses extreme views, in contrast to Milo, who is somehow conflated with real extremists like Spencer and where he's repeatedly accused of being a white supremacist which is incorrect and the mainstream media has had to retract on numerous occasions.
Milo's a provocateur and his comments and views were very inappropriate and unacceptable in this instance, but fundamentally, I've agreed with much of what he says about the concept of free speech, his criticism of the safe space and trigger warning culture on college campuses and his views on the madness of third-wave feminism.
Not sure where he goes from here, but I don't think he'll disappear from the spotlight completely, but this has been very detrimental to his public profile without doubt.
I also think he has a few hidden demons he's yet to confront when it comes to being a victim of abuse as a child. |
No, of course I don't. I have a brain the size of a planet and I read very widely. |
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stui magpie
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I'm taking that figuratively, cos if I took it literally i can't stop laughing at the visual
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
I'm taking that figuratively, cos if I took it literally i can't stop laughing at the visual |
How's that high jump practice going? "Two out of three ain't bad".  |
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David 
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| Jezza wrote: | | Milo is not a part of this broadly defined group known as the alt-right if anyone cared to listen to him in the first place. Much of the alt-right hates him, but of course Owen Jones lives in his echo chamber, like the typical champagne socialist he is. |
These terms are amorphous and not just some clearly defined club you can decide to join. Milo Yiannopoulos is a key figure at Breitbart, which is more or less alt-right ground zero (it is also where much of Donald Trump's core support comes from). As far as anyone can tell, the alt-right is nationalist, identitarian (in many ways a mirror image of the identitarian left that they despise so much), stridently anti-feminist, anti-immigration, sometimes libertarian, strongly opposed to the conservative/corporate establishment and perhaps just a little too friendly with white supremacists.
Milo is all of those things. Perhaps he doesn't personally identify with the label, but just because Stefan from Brunswick who wears flannelette shirts, rides a fixie and speaks with a drawl doesn't consider himself a hipster doesn't mean he isn't one.
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Jezza, these bloodsucking TV and blog airheads and their endless controversies, left or right, will drain your earning capacity. (Which might well be their subconscious mission). Many of us have wasted far too many productive hours on these things!
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stui magpie
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
I'm taking that figuratively, cos if I took it literally i can't stop laughing at the visual |
How's that high jump practice going? "Two out of three ain't bad". |
Considering how many hours I'm spending sitting down, I strongly suggest you wear a motorcycle helmet while driving. On current form I'm coming straight through the windshield
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No, of course I don't. I have a brain the size of a planet and I read very widely. |
You must be the only Guardian reader that does. It used to be a serious newspaper, but now it's an echo-chamber for the trendy left. I suppose that's what happens when you position a once-quality paper as a free social media outlet because not enough people will actually pay for it.
Like Stui, I have no idea who this Milo person is, but from the little I read about him, he does not seem to remotely fit the archetype of a "fascist" as that term finds expression in history. Unless there is some secret military power base behind him which I cannot discern, the Guardian's sense of history is so flimsy that it ascribes terms like "fascism" without any real reference point. That's what happens when you educate people in what to think, but not how to think.
He seems like a painted butterfly exhibitionist with little to add except bad judgement, and Breitbart is bad company to keep (though it occasionally hits the target). But those with a half-serious grasp of history know that "Fascism" has a meaning, and he does not seem to meet it.
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