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stui magpie 
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Yeah, but with due respect you disagree with greyhound racing on an ideological level. I don't follow it, never have, and have no interest in it either way unless it's proven that the industry systematically mistreats animals then I agree action needs to be taken to stop that. Banning is one option, not the only one.
I just like to see decisions made on facts not emotion or because of minority groups making lots of noise,
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Yeah, but with due respect you disagree with greyhound racing on an ideological level. I don't follow it, never have, and have no interest in it either way unless it's proven that the industry systematically mistreats animals then I agree action needs to be taken to stop that. Banning is one option, not the only one.
I just like to see decisions made on facts not emotion or because of minority groups making lots of noise, |
Just what constitutes facts though Stui? With respect but that's a bit of a motherhood statement.
Are you referring to the emotions of the greyhound industry or is that term just reserved for those who oppose it?
I thought I heard that in the US some 40 states have banned Greyhound racing. It's about time we do too but it needs to be done in manner to get people to adapt / transition to living without greyhound racing - industry, employers, owners & workers
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Stui I disagree with the way that humans use and abuse animals for entertainment yes and when you add money to the equation then the greedy nature of humans emerges!
And therein lies the problem with this " industry" and their description of dogs killed or transported to Asia to be slaughtered as " wastage" - I have no doubt that there are indeed people who genuinely care for their animals and do the right thing - but they will be the minority because ultimely as trainers or breeders if they aren't winning no one will seek out their services and a living cannot then be made.
And the majority of owners don't buy dogs to race for altruistic reasons - they want to win and more importantly win money - if their dog doesn't win enough I doubt many take them home to be family pets - kill it and try another!
And I feel sick at the mere thought of live baiting - that is cruelty beyond any decency.
These hideous practices have been widely known but well hidden by the governing boards for a long time - hence the inquiries! After the 2013 NSW inquiry which they got a shooty person to Chair that bought to light some of these practices which were denied by the " industry" activists decided the only way to show people exactly what was happening - was to show them!!
Yes I am idealogically opposed to it and always will be BUT if there was a possibility that it could be conducted without cruelty then as much as I hate it I would tolerate it at a distance - because my wants do not usurp the wants of others with different beliefs. I just don't believe that is possible as there is money involved and prestige it seems and add humans to that mix and well..... NO HOPE!!
I feel the same about horse racing for the same reasons but with greater insight - my brother was a farrier with the big boys shoed a lot of winners including a couple of Melbourne Cup winners in his day. He quit in disgust - he now just runs his 10 horses on his property - cause he just loves horses!
Sorry for the long post!
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stui magpie
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I suppose growing up in the bush I have a different ideological view of animals. having said that, I don't condone animal cruelty in any way.
As i said before, I don't follow greyhound racing, I have no stake at all I'm an unbiased observer in this debate. I'm not sure if the ills of the industry are really that deep or if it's just propaganda.
the review appears to be seriously flawed and influenced, or maybe it's not, but there's questions that need to be answered before drastic steps like closing an industry are taken.
In regard to horses, my grandfather had an affinity with horses. Shit he had an affinity with animals. he was a stockman, drover, rodeo rider in his youth. He used to take my mum and his family into town in the horse and gig once a week, get hammered while they were shopping, and the horse would take them home.
He loved horses and he loved horse racing.
I didn't inherit the ability with animals (well, not to his level) nor the love of horse racing (at all) but I still respect him and his opinions on things he knew a lot about.
if it looks like a duck............
If it looks like a populist knee jerk reaction...........
Remember, NSW is the state that enforced the lock out laws on everyone except the casino.
NSW cops (and government) the best money can buy.
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Morrigu
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| stui magpie wrote: | | I just like to see decisions made on facts not emotion or because of minority groups making lots of noise, |
But who exactly is the minority group here?
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| Militant animal rights activists. PETA etc. |
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Greyhound racing insider lifts lid on animal cruelty
A former greyhound racing insider is lifting the lid on horrific animal cruelty and corruption in the sport, saying what he has witnessed shows the sport is incapable of cleaning itself up.
Former Greyhound Racing NSW on-track vet Dr Greg Bryant has spoken out on the ABC's 7.30 program in support of the shock decision to ban the sport in the state, despite threats to his family from greyhound trainers.
"I was disgusted by what I witnessed. I saw some horrific injuries and I saw some of the worst aspects of human behaviour too," said Dr Bryant, who was an on-track vet in 2014 and 2015
"When I left Greyhound Racing NSW, my view of the industry was that it was a very cruel and corrupt industry."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-14/the-tail-was-torn-off-former-greyhound-vet-reveals-cruelty/7629906
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stui magpie
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PETA has been pushing this for a while, it has been the minority groups like PETA and others linked to them that have driven the agenda into the wider audience.
Doesn't mean they're wrong but it does sure as hell mean you need to take everything they say with a grain of salt until actually proven.
| Quote: | I HAPPILY jumped on board the anti-greyhound bandwagon last week. I wrote a couple of paragraphs supporting NSW Premier, Mike Baird, claiming extreme cruelty to animals was unacceptable and, given this whole industry is apparently beyond reform, I was happy to wipe it.
Now Im not so sure and nor should anyone else be. Like almost everyone in NSW, I listened to the Premier, who prides himself on credibility, and nodded sadly that he had no choice. I naively read the results of the inquirys report that he related to us with apparent wisdom and, like every other innocent reader in the state, couldnt believe how bad this thing had become.
Now I know better. There are grey areas and I know there is a lot, lot more to this story than what a few animal activists have insisted we believe.
The Baird Government cannot ignore what theyve ignored to this point: that some of the evidence was biased; some came from overseas and not this state; the witnesses included people from animal welfare lobbies (and included too few greyhound people) and that innocent, decent hard workers are about to lose absolutely everything. |
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/nsw-racing/premier-mike-baird-has-made-a-mistake-banning-greyhound-racing-writes-rebecca-wilson/news-story/5bd8eafb03917258fefeba345326c3c0
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| stui magpie wrote: | PETA has been pushing this for a while, it has been the minority groups like PETA and others linked to them that have driven the agenda into the wider audience.
Doesn't mean they're wrong but it does sure as hell mean you need to take everything they say with a grain of salt until actually proven.
| Quote: | I HAPPILY jumped on board the anti-greyhound bandwagon last week. I wrote a couple of paragraphs supporting NSW Premier, Mike Baird, claiming extreme cruelty to animals was unacceptable and, given this whole industry is apparently beyond reform, I was happy to wipe it.
Now Im not so sure and nor should anyone else be. Like almost everyone in NSW, I listened to the Premier, who prides himself on credibility, and nodded sadly that he had no choice. I naively read the results of the inquirys report that he related to us with apparent wisdom and, like every other innocent reader in the state, couldnt believe how bad this thing had become.
Now I know better. There are grey areas and I know there is a lot, lot more to this story than what a few animal activists have insisted we believe.
The Baird Government cannot ignore what theyve ignored to this point: that some of the evidence was biased; some came from overseas and not this state; the witnesses included people from animal welfare lobbies (and included too few greyhound people) and that innocent, decent hard workers are about to lose absolutely everything. |
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/nsw-racing/premier-mike-baird-has-made-a-mistake-banning-greyhound-racing-writes-rebecca-wilson/news-story/5bd8eafb03917258fefeba345326c3c0 |
Rebecca Wilson: really  Married to news limited's (ex CEO). Wilson has as much credibility in journalism as Pauline Hanson does on race relations with Halal eating Asians 
Now this is a journalist who writes well about sport & wonderfully about the issues at hand: Greg Baum. Wilson should read his writing & take note of how ill suited she is to journalism.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/is-greyhound-racing-going-to-the-dogs-20160708-gq1o2m.html
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stui magpie
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Typical. If you only read the opinions of people you agree with you only get one side of the argument.
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| stui magpie wrote: | Typical. If you only read the opinions of people you agree with you only get one side of the argument.
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That's true so stop reading Wilson.
Baum gives a balanced picture being an ex owner
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I'm happy to read other opinions but I put more stock on the opinions of the vets who have been intimately involved in the industry and have walked away in disgust - and are prepared to speak out despite threats - it's not just one its several over many years now!
PETA, Animals Australia and the Animal Justice Party have all lobbied hard for this - of course they will present a case to support their position but so will and do the industry!
With respect I am not a lemming - I don't just swallow everything said by anyone and that includes animal activist organisations and then regurgitate it as fact!
I trust the vets and then there is the vision and that was not manufactured - charges were laid. My desire to see it banned does not hinge on this one report.
And I strongly dispute that wanting to see an end to this cruelty is a minority position - yes the activists bought it the publics attention as the industry continued to hide it - and then and I would argue a significant number of people - not a minority- said enough this must stop!
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