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| David wrote: | One can walk and chew gum. This kind of militant Islamist ideology is a huge part of that problem, as well as the suburban ennui that leads lone wolves like this to become radicalised, but America's ridiculous gun laws just serve to enable such people to become mass murderers.
As many have pointed out, this is first and foremost an anti-gay hate crime. It is also a possibly ISIS-inspired act of terrorism and another mass shooting in a country that has far more than it should. All of these are issues that must be dealt with. |
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| Wokko wrote: | You're seriously going on about gun laws? How'd the tight gun laws work out in Paris? The problem here is Islam. Also this guy was a registered security guard, he could get guns anyway, the shooting took place in a gun free zone and I might be wrong but murder is already illegal, how do more laws help?
Deal with Islam and its desire to massacre people, in particular homosexuals. |
FWIW Texas is an open carry state. Most of the public places including bars and the baseball stadium in El paso had signs up saying no guns allowed, open or concealed carry.
The argument is that if that happened in a Texas nightclub, no one would be armed to be able to respond to defend themselves, so the availability of semi automatic weapons is a definite issue over there.
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HAL
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| I assume you mean our current problem. |
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| Good old Donald Trump: it's an immigration issue, not a gun issue. |
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Wokko 
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It's not a gun issue, it's Radical Islamic Terrorism. How did gun laws work out on 9/11, in Paris, London, Spain? This man also complied with all gun laws right up until he decided to murder more than 50 people, following the dictates of his religion towards homosexuals.
The issue is Islam, stop being afraid to call it by name. |
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Skids
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| Wokko wrote: | It's not a gun issue, it's Radical Islamic Terrorism. How did gun laws work out on 9/11, in Paris, London, Spain? This man also complied with all gun laws right up until he decided to murder more than 50 people, following the dictates of his religion towards homosexuals.
The issue is Islam, stop being afraid to call it by name. |
Spot on. The sooner people stop their apologist attitude to this; dangerous & rampant religion, the safer we'll all be.
Vote ALA in the upcoming election.
http://australianlibertyalliance.org.au/
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The issue is a small subset of muslims not all muslims. If politicians lay the blame on Islam itself and make political capital out of these tragedies then they will incite more extremism. Their posturing will only increase the size of that subset and worsen the problem.
That's why the head of ASIO had to intervene to try and shut down the coalition backbenchers who were condemning Islam.
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Skids, I checked the website and had a look at the ALA's approach to stopping the Islamisation of Australia. I suspect that the measures they are proposing would make the problem of Islamic extremism worse not better.
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Of course it's a combination of factors which include: gun laws or lack thereof, religious nutters, terrorism, home grown terror & a hate crime. To exclude any of the above is being far too limited, disingenuous & merely reflects pre-existing bias.
No muslim should experience guilt by association. To say that Salafist jihadi nutters are like all muslims is like saying the Westboro Baptist Church is a reflection of all Christianity.
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HAL
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| It goes without saying. What if it didn't happen? |
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| HAL wrote: | | It goes without saying. .... |
No, it doesn't go without saying.
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| watt price tully wrote: | Of course it's a combination of factors which include: gun laws or lack thereof, religious nutters, terrorism, home grown terror & a hate crime. To exclude any of the above is being far too limited, disingenuous & merely reflects pre-existing bias.
No muslim should experience guilt by association. To say that Salafist jihadi nutters are like all muslims is like saying the Westboro Baptist Church is a reflection of all Christianity. |
Yep same as when the lindor cafe thing happened here. It's just a criminal using an excuse for his anger.
As for the states, they need someone to have the guts to rewrite that amendment. I'm sure they not thinking of 100 round assault weapons when it was written.
No it isn't far enough but it would be a good start.
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David
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| Skids wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | It's not a gun issue, it's Radical Islamic Terrorism. How did gun laws work out on 9/11, in Paris, London, Spain? This man also complied with all gun laws right up until he decided to murder more than 50 people, following the dictates of his religion towards homosexuals.
The issue is Islam, stop being afraid to call it by name. |
Spot on. The sooner people stop their apologist attitude to this; dangerous & rampant religion, the safer we'll all be.
Vote ALA in the upcoming election.
http://australianlibertyalliance.org.au/ |
Thanks, I need to remember who to put last on my ballot paper.
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HAL
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| I hope we can make the deadline. |
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David
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