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David Libra

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:57 am
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An appalling act of violence in the US overnight:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting.html

The purpose of these attacks is to sow fear and hatred, and encourage extremists on both sides. Let's not give them what they want. But something must be done to prevent atrocities like this taking place.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:26 pm
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Another terrible incident.
Until their gun laws change this is going to continue.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:38 pm
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at least 50 dead Sad
must have been extremely powerful weapon to cause this damage
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:52 pm
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It was some sort of assault rifle. I'm not sure why, even in the US, it is permissible to buy such things over the counter. According to the reports, this bloke bought his in the last week.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:13 pm
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A tragedy. And 5 minutes after it happens Trump is out there trying to make some political capital out of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:31 pm
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same assault rifle as Sandy Hook, and Colorado massacres (AR-15)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:55 pm
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npalm wrote:
A tragedy. And 5 minutes after it happens Trump is out there trying to make some political capital out of it.

It's pretty sickening but not very surprising that Trump would make such comments and try and use it to help himself I am sure some others will use this to further push their agendas as well.

Horrible tragedy.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:12 pm
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^ The difference is that Trump's rhetoric is likely to lead to more ISIS converts and more violence.
The sickening thing is that he is smart enough to realise this but still use it to further his ambition.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:59 pm
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David wrote:
An appalling act of violence in the US overnight:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting.html

The purpose of these attacks is to sow fear and hatred, and encourage extremists on both sides. Let's not give them what they want. But something must be done to prevent atrocities like this taking place.


The gun laws have to change

-and they probably need to vet job applicants a little better in the armed security guard business

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:45 pm
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Woods Of Ypres wrote:
same assault rifle as Sandy Hook, and Colorado massacres (AR-15)


It's the civilian model of the M16, only real difference is it's a semi automatic rather than fully auto.

Got more than enough power to kill easily, even a shot to a non fatal area could provide enough static shock to really cause problems, plus with large capacity magazines easily changed over once one's empty, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:08 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
Woods Of Ypres wrote:
same assault rifle as Sandy Hook, and Colorado massacres (AR-15)


It's the civilian model of the M16, only real difference is it's a semi automatic rather than fully auto.

Got more than enough power to kill easily, even a shot to a non fatal area could provide enough static shock to really cause problems, plus with large capacity magazines easily changed over once one's empty, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Crying or Very sad


How many bullets in a clip?

Just wondering that he could not be tackled while reloading? But the. Maybe he wasn't in an accessible place

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:26 pm
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^
probably a 100 round Beta mag (5.56mm), usually they dont load more than 80 rounds or they jam. he probably never reloaded


http://www.betaco.com/cmag_product_details.asp?product=1&weapon=25

dont ask why a civilian on the FBI watch list needs one

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:54 pm
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Or a standard 30 shot mag. Put 3-4 spare mags in your pockets, changing a mag takes 1-2 seconds, so no chance to tackle him while reloading.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:49 pm
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You're seriously going on about gun laws? How'd the tight gun laws work out in Paris? The problem here is Islam. Also this guy was a registered security guard, he could get guns anyway, the shooting took place in a gun free zone and I might be wrong but murder is already illegal, how do more laws help?

Deal with Islam and its desire to massacre people, in particular homosexuals.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:48 pm
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One can walk and chew gum. This kind of militant Islamist ideology is a huge part of that problem, as well as the suburban ennui that leads lone wolves like this to become radicalised, but America's ridiculous gun laws just serve to enable such people to become mass murderers.

As many have pointed out, this is first and foremost an anti-gay hate crime. It is also a possibly ISIS-inspired act of terrorism and another mass shooting in a country that has far more than it should. All of these are issues that must be dealt with.

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