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Bob Sugar
Joined: 11 Feb 2010 Location: Benalla
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Surely as a coach you change the game plan depending on who's avaialable, if you're missing a couple of KFs for example you tweek it, if youre missing a couple of KBs the same applies and so on, when youre missing half your best 22 you simplify things and concentrate on defence first.
Great coaches adapt, shit coaches dont. _________________ Defender...........
On the day before the first, Daicos created God.
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Daniel
Joined: 22 Apr 2003
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that's the problem right there.... no one is available that can lead our younger players on the field. |
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E
Joined: 05 May 2010
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JamesJ wrote: | E wrote: | Williams Brown, Ramsey
Scharenberg Langdon
Swan, Elliot, Adams
Faz Moore,
Cloke, Broomhead
When healthy, I'm pretty sure these 12 guys are automatic selections (or nearly so).
this doesn't even take into account the fact that Sidey, Varcoe and Sinkers have missed a tonne of time this year as well. |
Nup. Don't buy it.
Scharnberg. 4 games in his entire career. Not a part of the best 22.
Broomhead. Has never strung more than 5 games together. Not part of the best 22.
Brown. He was dropped by Buckley. He isn't part of the best 22.
Swan. He is 32. He is cooked so we can't rely on him next year.
Too many ifs for mine. |
the prospect that a healthy Scharenberg wouldn't be in our best 22 is so preposterous. Look at Bontempelli if you want to get a check on the caliber of player and the age we are talking about here.
The idea that Swan wouldn't have improved our team this year is equally asinine.
I thought Brown is injured and it was injury that caused him to be left out of the side. Pretty sure he would have played against the cats if not for injury. Broomhead, once he is in, never seems to get dropped other than for injury.
Again, its easy to say this stuff that you throw around, but these are all quality players who aren't available to us and there is no denying the quality of those out of the side. _________________ Ohhh, the Premiership's a cakewalk ....... |
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Neil Appleby
Joined: 11 Feb 1998 Location: Melbourne
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E wrote: | JamesJ wrote: | E wrote: | Williams Brown, Ramsey
Scharenberg Langdon
Swan, Elliot, Adams
Faz Moore,
Cloke, Broomhead
When healthy, I'm pretty sure these 12 guys are automatic selections (or nearly so).
this doesn't even take into account the fact that Sidey, Varcoe and Sinkers have missed a tonne of time this year as well. |
Nup. Don't buy it.
Scharnberg. 4 games in his entire career. Not a part of the best 22.
Broomhead. Has never strung more than 5 games together. Not part of the best 22.
Brown. He was dropped by Buckley. He isn't part of the best 22.
Swan. He is 32. He is cooked so we can't rely on him next year.
Too many ifs for mine. |
the prospect that a healthy Scharenberg wouldn't be in our best 22 is so preposterous. Look at Bontempelli if you want to get a check on the caliber of player and the age we are talking about here.
The idea that Swan wouldn't have improved our team this year is equally asinine.
I thought Brown is injured and it was injury that caused him to be left out of the side. Pretty sure he would have played against the cats if not for injury. Broomhead, once he is in, never seems to get dropped other than for injury.
Again, its easy to say this stuff that you throw around, but these are all quality players who aren't available to us and there is no denying the quality of those out of the side. |
Couldn't agree more. _________________ After the epic draw comes the decisive knockout!
Collingwood rules the world again and Mick Malthouse fulfils his destiny with the twenty ten premiership and can you hear the people sing! |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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Most Nicksters would remember that I was a strong critic of Scharenberg last year, because he seemed very slow to commit to the Pies, and only signed on at the last moment. I was also not very impressed with his performances on the field, both in the VFL and his 4 AFL games. However, given the huge raps on this kid from most experts, he must have enormous talent. So far he has been rocked by a series of injuries, but if the young fella can finally get fit and firing, it's clear he will very quickly cement a spot in defence for us next year. Whether he turns out to be as good as Bottempelli - who is a once in a generation player imo - only time will tell, but we should all be excited at the prospect of seeing him blossom into a great Pies player next year and beyond. |
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Member 7167
"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
Joined: 18 Dec 2008 Location: The Collibran Hideout
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My 2 cents is that there is no way a lesser player can replace a more experienced better quality player and have better results across the board. There must be a decline. To think other wise is irrational.
Also it take time to adopt and develop a game plan. To do this successfully the player must have the ability to develop the skills, stamina and understanding to make the most of any game plan. Consistency is the key here and the more a team plays together you would think the better chances for improved results.
When considering the injury issue both this and previous years it is reasonable to accept that those injuries have had a significant impact on developing both an effective game plan and a direct impact on results and individual player development.
I personally do not know the true potential of Buckley or the players / team for that matter as they have not had a clear opportunity due to factors that are significantly out of their control.
I certainly do not have the FACTS to condemn them. _________________ Now Retired - Every Day Is A Saturday
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Piesnchess
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Lets face it, this season is our ANNIS HORRIBLISS, which is Latin I think, JW would know the literal translation, but it damn sounds good, and sums up a very forgettable season thus far, ruined by crippling ongoing injuries, and a side that never has a chance too settle. _________________ Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
Chess and Vodka are born brothers. - Russian proverb. |
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piedys
Heeeeeeere's Dyso!!!
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Resident Forum Psychopath since 2003
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Any takers for this thread after today? _________________ M I L L A N E 4 2 forever |
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Redlight
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
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Clearly injuries are a key component to the performance of any team. If you're replacing good players with lesser players then there will an inevitable tipping point. If you have a young developing team then it's a double whammy due to lack of continuity and experience.
We're going to suffer with these kinds of performances for as long as the injury list is as bad, and as persistent, as it has been in recent years. |
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think positive
Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere
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Bob Sugar wrote: | Surely as a coach you change the game plan depending on who's avaialable, if you're missing a couple of KFs for example you tweek it, if youre missing a couple of KBs the same applies and so on, when youre missing half your best 22 you simplify things and concentrate on defence first.
Great coaches adapt, shit coaches dont. |
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And to take pressure off of defence you don't leave a strong pissed off aggressive marker in the reserves and play the ultimate mr nice guy instead. No matter what your ego wants. _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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kymbo5@yahoo.com.au
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | If the club starts to use the old 'injuries excuse' again this year to explain why we're shit - I'm frankly going to vomit. |
Go and vomit then. Seems you can't handle the argument of legitimate reason. _________________ kymbo |
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Side By Side
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: somewhere
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That's helpful.
Why have we had 4 years of endless injuries? Training methods? Either not suited to the individual players? The 'game plan' or AFL footy? _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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daics aka the ruckman
Joined: 30 Aug 2010 Location: Scoreboard Hill @ Vic Park
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Nick Maxwell on SEN after the game named only 5 that are injured and best 22.
Swan, Moore, Fasolo, Elliot, Adams.
The remaining senior players not in the team are either out of form or past their best. _________________ go pies |
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Member 7167
"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
Joined: 18 Dec 2008 Location: The Collibran Hideout
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daics aka the ruckman wrote: | Nick Maxwell on SEN after the game named only 5 that are injured and best 22.
Swan, Moore, Fasolo, Elliot, Adams.
The remaining senior players not in the team are either out of form or past their best. |
It doesn't take into account other players that have not developed due to injury. I think that that is a very conservative list. _________________ Now Retired - Every Day Is A Saturday |
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Side By Side
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Everyone goes on about Scharenberg, but is he in the equation? Will he be the messiah? Give the kid a chance to get fit. _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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