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| Nathan Buckley: what should the club do with him? |
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| Wait and see until season's end, then review (inclined to sack) |
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| Keep him until mid-season 2017, then reassess |
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| Back him for as long as it takes! All We Can Be with NCB! |
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Location: We prefer free speech - you know it's right
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| Redlight wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | | Whatever happens regarding Bucks position as our coach, I just hope that our club makes an informed decision, rather than responding to external supporter and media pressure. |
Absolutely agree. I think we're fairly lucky that we have an administration that isn't under particular pressure. If they panic, we're screwed. |
I think that we all agree on the most part with RudeBoy's basic premise on an informed decision.
The problem is, they haven't been doing that at all. It's been based purely on emotion and saving face. For me, I honestly believe we need a fully independent (100% i.e. no Eddie) and through review of our whole football department.
Hoping next year things will get better... doesn't change the fact that Bucks is an fairly average coach at best (yes I think 5 years is long enough to call it a 'fact', and honestly.. calling him 'average' is being generous). The hoping has been happing year after year and nothings changed, they just keep getting to the same spot... failed season, brush it under the carpet, hope for better next year, rinse and repeat, over and over.
We will continue to make ourselves heard until a 'real' course of action to rectify the current situation arises.
PS: Redlight your comment is <snip (self moderated) > , nothing could be further from the truth. |
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jackcass 
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| ^ assumes they don't have an ongoing review regime and undertake a full review each year. I'd be very surprised if a multi-million dollar operation didn't do that. You choose to take a view that doubts the competence of the club but that doesn't make it any more real than my view or that of anyone else who doesn't actually know what goes on within the 4 walls. |
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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| jackcass wrote: | | ^ assumes they don't have an ongoing review regime and undertake a full review each year. I'd be very surprised if a multi-million dollar operation didn't do that. You choose to take a view that doubts the competence of the club but that doesn't make it any more real than my view or that of anyone else who doesn't actually know what goes on within the 4 walls. |
Anybody got any ideas when our club had its last fully 'independent' review on its football department, like everything, fully independent.
And yes I have doubts. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: Elwood
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| The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | ^ assumes they don't have an ongoing review regime and undertake a full review each year. I'd be very surprised if a multi-million dollar operation didn't do that. You choose to take a view that doubts the competence of the club but that doesn't make it any more real than my view or that of anyone else who doesn't actually know what goes on within the 4 walls. |
Anybody got any ideas when our club had its last fully 'independent' review on its football department, like everything, fully independent.
And yes I have doubts. |
Independent reviews are like Royal commissions. You only have them when you can predict what the results are going to be. |
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Lone Ranger
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
Location: Macedon Ranges
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I give Bucks a lot of respect for his recent comments when discussing whether he should have perhaps delayed the handover.
“Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I’d contend that group could have possibly contended in 2012 which it did, maybe in 2013, which we didn’t, but beyond that it was going to need regeneration anyway."
For him to admit the handover possibly cost us flags in 2012 and 2013 takes a lot of guts. Not many would be strong enough to say something like that publicly. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| Lone Ranger wrote: | I give Bucks a lot of respect for his recent comments when discussing whether he should have perhaps delayed the handover.
“Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I’d contend that group could have possibly contended in 2012 which it did, maybe in 2013, which we didn’t, but beyond that it was going to need regeneration anyway."
For him to admit the handover possibly cost us flags in 2012 and 2013 takes a lot of guts. Not many would be strong enough to say something like that publicly. |
"contended" doesn't guarantee flags... see 2002, 2003, 2011 as examples.
I do agree though, always presents well in the media. Appears relatively open and thoughtful in his comments. |
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jmac70
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| jackcass wrote: | | Lone Ranger wrote: | I give Bucks a lot of respect for his recent comments when discussing whether he should have perhaps delayed the handover.
“Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I’d contend that group could have possibly contended in 2012 which it did, maybe in 2013, which we didn’t, but beyond that it was going to need regeneration anyway."
For him to admit the handover possibly cost us flags in 2012 and 2013 takes a lot of guts. Not many would be strong enough to say something like that publicly. |
"contended" doesn't guarantee flags... see 2002, 2003, 2011 as examples.
I do agree though, always presents well in the media. Appears relatively open and thoughtful in his comments. |
He is a master at manipulating the media. Whilst I don't doubt his honesty he has once again managed to take the sting out of supporter anger with some well chosen words. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| jmac70 wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | Lone Ranger wrote: | I give Bucks a lot of respect for his recent comments when discussing whether he should have perhaps delayed the handover.
“Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I’d contend that group could have possibly contended in 2012 which it did, maybe in 2013, which we didn’t, but beyond that it was going to need regeneration anyway."
For him to admit the handover possibly cost us flags in 2012 and 2013 takes a lot of guts. Not many would be strong enough to say something like that publicly. |
"contended" doesn't guarantee flags... see 2002, 2003, 2011 as examples.
I do agree though, always presents well in the media. Appears relatively open and thoughtful in his comments. |
He is a master at manipulating the media. Whilst I don't doubt his honesty he has once again managed to take the sting out of supporter anger with some well chosen words. |
I think I'm missing something here... |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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I heard a simply bloody brilliant quote from a CEO of a top US Baseball Club today and I immediately thought of the Buckley haters on this thread.
It was stated "You must never base your club's decisions on comments in the media or from fans because if you do, you will soon join them"
Like I said, simply bloody brilliant......  
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jmac70
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| jackcass wrote: | | jmac70 wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | Lone Ranger wrote: | I give Bucks a lot of respect for his recent comments when discussing whether he should have perhaps delayed the handover.
“Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I’d contend that group could have possibly contended in 2012 which it did, maybe in 2013, which we didn’t, but beyond that it was going to need regeneration anyway."
For him to admit the handover possibly cost us flags in 2012 and 2013 takes a lot of guts. Not many would be strong enough to say something like that publicly. |
"contended" doesn't guarantee flags... see 2002, 2003, 2011 as examples.
I do agree though, always presents well in the media. Appears relatively open and thoughtful in his comments. |
He is a master at manipulating the media. Whilst I don't doubt his honesty he has once again managed to take the sting out of supporter anger with some well chosen words. |
I think I'm missing something here... |
It's quite simple really. By saying that he will be sacked if we miss the finals next year, Buckley is effectively owning that debate. |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| jmac70 wrote: | | It's quite simple really. By saying that he will be sacked if we miss the finals next year, Buckley is effectively owning that debate. |
I would have thought that Buck's was as usual simply being realistic and totally honest..... 
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jmac70
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| Lazza wrote: | | jmac70 wrote: | | It's quite simple really. By saying that he will be sacked if we miss the finals next year, Buckley is effectively owning that debate. |
I would have thought that Buck's was as usual simply being realistic and totally honest..... |
I agree that he was being honest. Do you think it was a good idea for him answer the question about his future beyond 2017? Alternatively he could have just played a straight bat. |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| jmac70 wrote: | | Lazza wrote: | | jmac70 wrote: | | It's quite simple really. By saying that he will be sacked if we miss the finals next year, Buckley is effectively owning that debate. |
I would have thought that Buck's was as usual simply being realistic and totally honest..... |
I agree that he was being honest. Do you think it was a good idea for him answer the question about his future beyond 2017? Alternatively he could have just played a straight bat. |
Thanks for the question and yes, if it was me, I would have answered it very honestly, just like Buck's did. I honestly don't think that playing silly mind games on this issue is valuable for any party concerned.
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jmac70
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| Lazza wrote: | | jmac70 wrote: | | Lazza wrote: | | jmac70 wrote: | | It's quite simple really. By saying that he will be sacked if we miss the finals next year, Buckley is effectively owning that debate. |
I would have thought that Buck's was as usual simply being realistic and totally honest..... |
I agree that he was being honest. Do you think it was a good idea for him answer the question about his future beyond 2017? Alternatively he could have just played a straight bat. |
Thanks for the question and yes, if it was me, I would have answered it very honestly, just like Buck's did. I honestly don't think that playing silly mind games on this issue is valuable for any party concerned. |
It will be interesting to see if Bucks is offered a contract extension during the 2017 season. |
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What'sinaname 
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Surely we wouldn't offer a Bucks a contract extension before or during the year.
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