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| Keep him until mid-season 2017, then reassess |
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| Back him for as long as it takes! All We Can Be with NCB! |
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thompsoc
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| Lazza wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | Everyone on Nicks has their own fixed opinion on Bucks as a coach. I'm not going to attempt to change anyone's opinion. In truth, neither the sadsacks or the lollypop brigade know how good or bad Bucks is as a coach. Only the team and our football department are in a position to make that judgement, from an informed perspective. One thing I'm convinced of is that a team's on field success/failure alone, does not correlate to how good or bad a coach is. Richmond's Tony Jewell won them a flag and was immediately sacked, as was Jezza from Carlton. Remember, team success or failure is the result of a myriad of factors, including the age, experience, quality, injury rate of the players, plus the quality of the coaching team and the entire football department.
However, here are possible scenarios re our coach worth thinking about.
1. We miss out on the finals again next year, so we replace Bucks and we immediately see a qualitative improvement in our performances, with a new game plan, and we win a flag within a couple of years.
2. We miss out on the finals again next year, so we replace Bucks, but the club fails to gather any momentum and we remain a middle rung team for the next few years.
3. After winning just 9 games this season next year we win 12 games (a 33% improvement on 2016), but due to injuries to key players (such as Moore and Grundy), we just miss the finals. Nevertheless, the club is convinced we are heading in the right direction, extends Bucks' contract and we win the flag in 2018.
Whatever happens regarding Bucks position as our coach, I just hope that our club makes an informed decision, rather than responding to external supporter and media pressure. |
Great post Rude Boy and a balance viewpoint in my opinion.
Buckley will coach the Pies in 2017 and we should continue to support our Club, Team and Coach. |
Hooray! Yippee!! Fantastic!!
A post on this thread I fully agree with.......     |
Are you lonesome tonight!!!!
88 pages and finally bingo.
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| thompsoc wrote: | | Lazza wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | Everyone on Nicks has their own fixed opinion on Bucks as a coach. I'm not going to attempt to change anyone's opinion. In truth, neither the sadsacks or the lollypop brigade know how good or bad Bucks is as a coach. Only the team and our football department are in a position to make that judgement, from an informed perspective. One thing I'm convinced of is that a team's on field success/failure alone, does not correlate to how good or bad a coach is. Richmond's Tony Jewell won them a flag and was immediately sacked, as was Jezza from Carlton. Remember, team success or failure is the result of a myriad of factors, including the age, experience, quality, injury rate of the players, plus the quality of the coaching team and the entire football department.
However, here are possible scenarios re our coach worth thinking about.
1. We miss out on the finals again next year, so we replace Bucks and we immediately see a qualitative improvement in our performances, with a new game plan, and we win a flag within a couple of years.
2. We miss out on the finals again next year, so we replace Bucks, but the club fails to gather any momentum and we remain a middle rung team for the next few years.
3. After winning just 9 games this season next year we win 12 games (a 33% improvement on 2016), but due to injuries to key players (such as Moore and Grundy), we just miss the finals. Nevertheless, the club is convinced we are heading in the right direction, extends Bucks' contract and we win the flag in 2018.
Whatever happens regarding Bucks position as our coach, I just hope that our club makes an informed decision, rather than responding to external supporter and media pressure. |
Great post Rude Boy and a balance viewpoint in my opinion.
Buckley will coach the Pies in 2017 and we should continue to support our Club, Team and Coach. |
Hooray! Yippee!! Fantastic!!
A post on this thread I fully agree with....... |
Are you lonesome tonight!!!!
88 pages and finally bingo. |
Nah, just at least 85 pages of anti Buckley crap out of the 88 pages dude. So bloody fantastic to read a positive post among the Buckley hating drivel usually spewed forth on this thread.....  
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jackcass 
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| MagpieBat wrote: | I said you didn't look your age. I didn't say if you looked older or younger than it...  |
I flipped a coin... it was either "you silver tongued devil" or "you rude young cnut"... luck of the draw really... |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | Cam wrote: | | What the? I think football faces a huge battle given the drop off in the under 30s. Outside of Melbourne itself self evident. And it is beginning to show inside it too. People can be members of the Storm, Victory/City, Rebels etc, kids don't kick the footy at recess much. Kids that don't do that rarely play themselves and aren't connecting with the game like the past. There are many many more options for people today than even 10 years ago. Obesity is a problem for a reason despite many kids eating better than we did. |
Firstly, no it's not. Over 6 million people have attended 189 games tis year, down 1.3% which is less than the typical average annual movement. The game is in great shape.
Secondly, why do we need kids to kick a ball at recess to connect with the sport? Did you connect with any Olympic sports that you don't actively do? I enjoyed the swimming, sailing and pentathlon, the last two are activities I have never done.
This generation doesn't want kick-to-kick after the siren. They want quality high speed wireless during the game and be able to quickly exit to get home to their high speed internet at home.
We all think the game is in worse shape than in "my day", but the facts are, people today don't covet what we did. They don't want to stand in a outer at Vic Park in the open weather. They want conformable seating, clean urinals, parking close to the venue etc.
The game is stronger than it has ever been, and the fact that it s evolving to meet the needs to its new audience is proof of that. If it stopped to cater for the crusty few, it would struggle like golf is right now, a sport that refused to yield and is now paying a huge price. |
Not quite as rosey as you suggest. If you just look at just the H&A season...
2010 - 6.494M - 36,901/game
2011 - 6.525M - 34,893/game (Gold Coast Suns introduced)
2012 - 6.238M - 31,508/game (Greater Western Sydney introduced)
2013 - 6.372M - 32,185/game
2014 - 6.404M - 32,346/game
2015 - 6.367M - 32,321/game
2016 - 6.017M - 31,863/game (YTD with 1 round to go & I doubt we'll get 350K this round to make up the difference to 2015)
2010 relative to 2015 we've seen a drop of just over 3.6% (13% per game) despite the fact we now have 1 extra game per round. You'd expect a further drop again this season. It's certainly not a trend the AFL will be keen to see continue. |
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What'sinaname 
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But the better analysis is 2012 onwards as the introduction of two new teams which we knew wouldn't average more than 36,000 per game does distort the picture.
Attendances have been steady since 2012 and that is with Collingwood and Carlton both being quite poor and Essednon going through the supplements saga.
I would expect a turnaround in numbers once these three clubs start to perform on field.
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MagpieBat
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Location: Brooding in a cave... somewhere... maybe...
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| jackcass wrote: | | MagpieBat wrote: | | I said you didn't look your age. I didn't say if you looked older or younger than it... |
I flipped a coin... it was either "you silver tongued devil" or "you rude young cnut"... luck of the draw really... |
How very Dent of you...
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thompsoc
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Sport in general is slowly going down.
Cricket, NRL, Basketball, Athletics, Racing are dropping crowds.
Soccer seems to being doing well and the major events like the tennis are pulling them in. Adelaide oval has been fantastic since the redevelopment.
TV's have become really high tech and they are cheap.
I find it easier to see watching tv than being at the game.
The old tv's were pretty hopeless.
Even the Olympics were half empty.
The trend is definitely down albeit slowly.
I wonder whether live sport viewing at the grounds will slowly die like newspapers.
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
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| What'sinaname wrote: | But the better analysis is 2012 onwards as the introduction of two new teams which we knew wouldn't average more than 36,000 per game does distort the picture.
Attendances have been steady since 2012 and that is with Collingwood and Carlton both being quite poor and Essednon going through the supplements saga.
I would expect a turnaround in numbers once these three clubs start to perform on field. |
The trends don't lie...
1980 - 3.280M
1990 - 3.587M
2000 - 5.740M
2010 - 7.145M
I know there has been factors that impact those figures, ground rationalisation, stadium redevelopments etc, but that doesn't mitigate that game attendances are going backwards from the 2010-11 peaks while populations grow. And people wonder why we have multi-cultural rounds and are now investing in women's football.
And none of that mitigates the point of the discussion, that being attendances are dropping at Collingwood games but it's not a specific Collingwood issue, it's league wide. |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| When did you go your past posting and what did he or she find? |
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Mugwump
Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Location: Between London and Melbourne
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| Member 7167 wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | Everyone on Nicks has their own fixed opinion on Bucks as a coach. I'm not going to attempt to change anyone's opinion. In truth, neither the sadsacks or the lollypop brigade know how good or bad Bucks is as a coach. Only the team and our football department are in a position to make that judgement, from an informed perspective. One thing I'm convinced of is that a team's on field success/failure alone, does not correlate to how good or bad a coach is. Richmond's Tony Jewell won them a flag and was immediately sacked, as was Jezza from Carlton. Remember, team success or failure is the result of a myriad of factors, including the age, experience, quality, injury rate of the players, plus the quality of the coaching team and the entire football department.
However, here are possible scenarios re our coach worth thinking about.
1. We miss out on the finals again next year, so we replace Bucks and we immediately see a qualitative improvement in our performances, with a new game plan, and we win a flag within a couple of years.
2. We miss out on the finals again next year, so we replace Bucks, but the club fails to gather any momentum and we remain a middle rung team for the next few years.
3. After winning just 9 games this season next year we win 12 games (a 33% improvement on 2016), but due to injuries to key players (such as Moore and Grundy), we just miss the finals. Nevertheless, the club is convinced we are heading in the right direction, extends Bucks' contract and we win the flag in 2018.
Whatever happens regarding Bucks position as our coach, I just hope that our club makes an informed decision, rather than responding to external supporter and media pressure. |
Great post Rude Boy and a balance viewpoint in my opinion.
Buckley will coach the Pies in 2017 and we should continue to support our Club, Team and Coach. |
Absolutely. A lot of these kids are going to be guns, and several of the best of them - Adams, Treloar - are here because he mentored them at the AIS and they know his qualities and want to play for him. For that reason, changing the coach underneath these kids right now as they mature is the worst thing that we could possibly do. Though nothing is certain in footy, I think 2017 will being enough success to make it increasingly a non-issue.
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Is this thread still going?
FFS, he's coaching until the end of 2017.
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Mugwump
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^ Fair enough, Wolfie. I don't think either you or I are going to change our mind. And 2017 will tell us more, one way or another.
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Redlight
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Whatever happens regarding Bucks position as our coach, I just hope that our club makes an informed decision, rather than responding to external supporter and media pressure. |
Absolutely agree. I think we're fairly lucky that we have an administration that isn't under particular pressure. If they panic, we're screwed. |
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Redlight wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | | Whatever happens regarding Bucks position as our coach, I just hope that our club makes an informed decision, rather than responding to external supporter and media pressure. |
Absolutely agree. I think we're fairly lucky that we have an administration that isn't under particular pressure. If they panic, we're screwed. |
Did the club make an informed decision when Bux was appointed?
It was a captain's pick.
It may work out or it may not.
That is not the point.
It is a bit funny that we are calling for an informed decision when
it didn't happen at the beginning.
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