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Mugwump
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| Krakouer Magic wrote: | | Albert Parker wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | Well, our rubbish coach has now piloted the team to three victories over top eight sides since the bye. Today his young team were so motivated that they withstood an onslaught from a team with everything to play for, when we had nothing to play for but pride, and we soaked it up and rolled past them. We did it without our two most creative forwards in Fasolo and Elliott, and without our best runner off half-back in Sinclair. This is the coach that cannot motivate a side, according to some posters.
The skills were often horrible, but that is what happens with a young and inexperienced side who have not played together much, and who are learning about their teammates in a high pressure game. There is a lot that can and will improve, from defending kickouts to providing an option when a player is on the burst, but Nathan Buckley's young team is coming along nicely and improving week-by-week. In the past few years we have been front-runners and compounded in the second half of the season as youngsters ran out of legs. This year our first half was crucified by injury but we are running the season out better. All very good signs for the future. |
In fact, 3 currently sitting in the top 5 and we haven't played one of the other top 5 teams. It's encouraging. |
And still lost to Melbourne twice, Carlton, St Kilda and North. I can pick and choose stats and facts to. GWS win was when they started their high training load (fact).
Which 3 top 8 sides have we beaten since the bye? GWS and WCE.
Again, like I said weeks ago, there are always a few strange results from rounds 15 to 22 in regard to top 8 sides. They are training harder and preparing for finals. Imagine how awesome we'd be if we were going through a higher training load at the moment... Please, we'd be atrocious. Always next year and the year after that with Naffan at the helm though...
All teams below us, except the lions and Richmond, will continue to improve next year. I can see us scrapping into 8th at best if a few top teams suffer because of a harder draw. Realistically though, with an easy draw we'll still be in the 8 to 12 bracket. And with the list we have that's just not acceptable. |
First half of the year we were lousy with a very young team decimated by injury and a constant stream of players into the side who had not played together before. Since the bye we have started to get exoerienced players back, and we have beaten three top eight sides. We would also have beaten another one, the Bulldogs, had they not "dodged a bullet" (in Luke
Beveridge's words) when we lost four of our players (including three of our most important players) late in the third quarter, after being in front all day and looking strong.
Young developing teams with a high injury rate do not win games. That is almost an iron law of football at nearly every level. Yet, in your reinforced concrete world view, when we lose it is because the coach is clueless. When we win it is bcause the opposition has a high training load. What would constitute contrary evidence in your system of thought ?
Oh and the "fact" you quote above about GWS increasing their training load the week we played them seems to be referenced nowhere on the entire internet. Do you actually have a credible source for this "fact" ?
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| Mugwump wrote: | | Krakouer Magic wrote: | | Albert Parker wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | Well, our rubbish coach has now piloted the team to three victories over top eight sides since the bye. Today his young team were so motivated that they withstood an onslaught from a team with everything to play for, when we had nothing to play for but pride, and we soaked it up and rolled past them. We did it without our two most creative forwards in Fasolo and Elliott, and without our best runner off half-back in Sinclair. This is the coach that cannot motivate a side, according to some posters.
The skills were often horrible, but that is what happens with a young and inexperienced side who have not played together much, and who are learning about their teammates in a high pressure game. There is a lot that can and will improve, from defending kickouts to providing an option when a player is on the burst, but Nathan Buckley's young team is coming along nicely and improving week-by-week. In the past few years we have been front-runners and compounded in the second half of the season as youngsters ran out of legs. This year our first half was crucified by injury but we are running the season out better. All very good signs for the future. |
In fact, 3 currently sitting in the top 5 and we haven't played one of the other top 5 teams. It's encouraging. |
And still lost to Melbourne twice, Carlton, St Kilda and North. I can pick and choose stats and facts to. GWS win was when they started their high training load (fact).
Which 3 top 8 sides have we beaten since the bye? GWS and WCE.
Again, like I said weeks ago, there are always a few strange results from rounds 15 to 22 in regard to top 8 sides. They are training harder and preparing for finals. Imagine how awesome we'd be if we were going through a higher training load at the moment... Please, we'd be atrocious. Always next year and the year after that with Naffan at the helm though...
All teams below us, except the lions and Richmond, will continue to improve next year. I can see us scrapping into 8th at best if a few top teams suffer because of a harder draw. Realistically though, with an easy draw we'll still be in the 8 to 12 bracket. And with the list we have that's just not acceptable. |
First half of the year we were lousy with a very young team decimated by injury and a constant stream of players into the side who had not played together before. Since the bye we have started to get exoerienced players back, and we have beaten three top eight sides. We would also have beaten another one, the Bulldogs, had they not "dodged a bullet" (in Luke
Beveridge's words) when we lost four of our players (including three of our most important players) late in the third quarter, after being in front all day and looking strong.
Young developing teams with a high injury rate do not win games. That is almost an iron law of football at nearly every level. Yet, in your reinforced concrete world view, when we lose it is because the coach is clueless. When we win it is bcause the opposition has a high training load. What would constitute contrary evidence in your system of thought ?
Oh and the "fact" you quote above about GWS increasing their training load the week we played them seems to be referenced nowhere on the entire internet. Do you actually have a credible source for this "fact" ? |
Great post MW. |
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Krakouer Magic
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| Mugwump wrote: | | Krakouer Magic wrote: | | Albert Parker wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | Well, our rubbish coach has now piloted the team to three victories over top eight sides since the bye. Today his young team were so motivated that they withstood an onslaught from a team with everything to play for, when we had nothing to play for but pride, and we soaked it up and rolled past them. We did it without our two most creative forwards in Fasolo and Elliott, and without our best runner off half-back in Sinclair. This is the coach that cannot motivate a side, according to some posters.
The skills were often horrible, but that is what happens with a young and inexperienced side who have not played together much, and who are learning about their teammates in a high pressure game. There is a lot that can and will improve, from defending kickouts to providing an option when a player is on the burst, but Nathan Buckley's young team is coming along nicely and improving week-by-week. In the past few years we have been front-runners and compounded in the second half of the season as youngsters ran out of legs. This year our first half was crucified by injury but we are running the season out better. All very good signs for the future. |
In fact, 3 currently sitting in the top 5 and we haven't played one of the other top 5 teams. It's encouraging. |
And still lost to Melbourne twice, Carlton, St Kilda and North. I can pick and choose stats and facts to. GWS win was when they started their high training load (fact).
Which 3 top 8 sides have we beaten since the bye? GWS and WCE.
Again, like I said weeks ago, there are always a few strange results from rounds 15 to 22 in regard to top 8 sides. They are training harder and preparing for finals. Imagine how awesome we'd be if we were going through a higher training load at the moment... Please, we'd be atrocious. Always next year and the year after that with Naffan at the helm though...
All teams below us, except the lions and Richmond, will continue to improve next year. I can see us scrapping into 8th at best if a few top teams suffer because of a harder draw. Realistically though, with an easy draw we'll still be in the 8 to 12 bracket. And with the list we have that's just not acceptable. |
First half of the year we were lousy with a very young team decimated by injury and a constant stream of players into the side who had not played together before. Since the bye we have started to get exoerienced players back, and we have beaten three top eight sides. We would also have beaten another one, the Bulldogs, had they not "dodged a bullet" (in Luke
Beveridge's words) when we lost four of our players (including three of our most important players) late in the third quarter, after being in front all day and looking strong.
Young developing teams with a high injury rate do not win games. That is almost an iron law of football at nearly every level. Yet, in your reinforced concrete world view, when we lose it is because the coach is clueless. When we win it is bcause the opposition has a high training load. What would constitute contrary evidence in your system of thought ?
Oh and the "fact" you quote above about GWS increasing their training load the week we played them seems to be referenced nowhere on the entire internet. Do you actually have a credible source for this "fact" ? |
1st half of the year we were lousy because of coaching and game plan. More so than who was on the park. You guys just love reinventing the story.
Rounds 1 to 7. We beat stk (who had 1 on the bench in the 4th qtr), Melbourne and Carlton if we have a better more experienced coach that drilled the whole list properly (not just our best 22) over the preseason. As a coach you prepare for the worst hope for the best.
The game plan changed significantly after the west coast loss in round 6. The week after the blues Eddie questioned the game plan. On AFL 360 after the Lions win Nathan says "the coaches are coaching 5 to 10% more... Taking control of the group at training and directing the playing group more"... That to me screams "WTF are you muppets doing? Yes you have injuries and a young list but whys it take you 7 rounds to ram what's required down the players throat. You had a whole preseason (and 4 seasons previous) to drill it into them".
Let's not forget the preseason news articles with Nathan saying everything was in place and he'd been smelling the roses more this preseason. Finals bound oh yeah!
Again, which 3 top 8 sides have we beaten since the bye? GWS, WCE And who?
As for having to give a credible source about when top 8 teams go into higher training loads to prepare for finals, well I remember we used to drop a few games to sh1t teams in 2006-09 during the rounds of 15 through to 22. Every top 8 side would be doing the same higher loads considering they've known the top 8 has been locked since the bye rounds.
But here's an article for you to back up my claims. It's from a few years ago but note the date, first week of July - http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-07/cats-enduring-heavy-training-load-to-peak-for-september-stokes
I don't have any direct quotes from Leon Cameron though if that's what you want. But are you seriously going to claim GWS coaching and fitness staff are so incompetent in preparing for finals that they just haven't bothered with a higher training load? Or are you saying they didn't start their high loads until after we beat them? This would be an odd view considering they knew they were finals bound by round 12.
I'm 100% certain that top 8 sides do higher loads from around round 15 on. Some times probably earlier. It happens every year. It's just fact. I'll keep sticking to the facts though. You keep fighting the good fight with spin.
I'll see you this time next year. Who knows we might get a few cheap victories against top 8 sides again in 2017 |
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| Mugwump wrote: | | Krakouer Magic wrote: | | Albert Parker wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | Well, our rubbish coach has now piloted the team to three victories over top eight sides since the bye. Today his young team were so motivated that they withstood an onslaught from a team with everything to play for, when we had nothing to play for but pride, and we soaked it up and rolled past them. We did it without our two most creative forwards in Fasolo and Elliott, and without our best runner off half-back in Sinclair. This is the coach that cannot motivate a side, according to some posters.
The skills were often horrible, but that is what happens with a young and inexperienced side who have not played together much, and who are learning about their teammates in a high pressure game. There is a lot that can and will improve, from defending kickouts to providing an option when a player is on the burst, but Nathan Buckley's young team is coming along nicely and improving week-by-week. In the past few years we have been front-runners and compounded in the second half of the season as youngsters ran out of legs. This year our first half was crucified by injury but we are running the season out better. All very good signs for the future. |
In fact, 3 currently sitting in the top 5 and we haven't played one of the other top 5 teams. It's encouraging. |
And still lost to Melbourne twice, Carlton, St Kilda and North. I can pick and choose stats and facts to. GWS win was when they started their high training load (fact).
Which 3 top 8 sides have we beaten since the bye? GWS and WCE.
Again, like I said weeks ago, there are always a few strange results from rounds 15 to 22 in regard to top 8 sides. They are training harder and preparing for finals. Imagine how awesome we'd be if we were going through a higher training load at the moment... Please, we'd be atrocious. Always next year and the year after that with Naffan at the helm though...
All teams below us, except the lions and Richmond, will continue to improve next year. I can see us scrapping into 8th at best if a few top teams suffer because of a harder draw. Realistically though, with an easy draw we'll still be in the 8 to 12 bracket. And with the list we have that's just not acceptable. |
First half of the year we were lousy with a very young team decimated by injury and a constant stream of players into the side who had not played together before. Since the bye we have started to get exoerienced players back, and we have beaten three top eight sides. We would also have beaten another one, the Bulldogs, had they not "dodged a bullet" (in Luke
Beveridge's words) when we lost four of our players (including three of our most important players) late in the third quarter, after being in front all day and looking strong.
Young developing teams with a high injury rate do not win games. That is almost an iron law of football at nearly every level. Yet, in your reinforced concrete world view, when we lose it is because the coach is clueless. When we win it is bcause the opposition has a high training load. What would constitute contrary evidence in your system of thought ?
Oh and the "fact" you quote above about GWS increasing their training load the week we played them seems to be referenced nowhere on the entire internet. Do you actually have a credible source for this "fact" ? |
Excellent post, could not have said it better myself, hammer, nail head and bang. If we won the flag, the Bucks whingers would still piss and moan, its in their DNA.  
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Krakouer Magic wrote: | | Albert Parker wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | Well, our rubbish coach has now piloted the team to three victories over top eight sides since the bye. Today his young team were so motivated that they withstood an onslaught from a team with everything to play for, when we had nothing to play for but pride, and we soaked it up and rolled past them. We did it without our two most creative forwards in Fasolo and Elliott, and without our best runner off half-back in Sinclair. This is the coach that cannot motivate a side, according to some posters.
The skills were often horrible, but that is what happens with a young and inexperienced side who have not played together much, and who are learning about their teammates in a high pressure game. There is a lot that can and will improve, from defending kickouts to providing an option when a player is on the burst, but Nathan Buckley's young team is coming along nicely and improving week-by-week. In the past few years we have been front-runners and compounded in the second half of the season as youngsters ran out of legs. This year our first half was crucified by injury but we are running the season out better. All very good signs for the future. |
In fact, 3 currently sitting in the top 5 and we haven't played one of the other top 5 teams. It's encouraging. |
And still lost to Melbourne twice, Carlton, St Kilda and North. I can pick and choose stats and facts to. GWS win was when they started their high training load (fact).
Which 3 top 8 sides have we beaten since the bye? GWS and WCE.
Again, like I said weeks ago, there are always a few strange results from rounds 15 to 22 in regard to top 8 sides. They are training harder and preparing for finals. Imagine how awesome we'd be if we were going through a higher training load at the moment... Please, we'd be atrocious. Always next year and the year after that with Naffan at the helm though...
All teams below us, except the lions and Richmond, will continue to improve next year. I can see us scrapping into 8th at best if a few top teams suffer because of a harder draw. Realistically though, with an easy draw we'll still be in the 8 to 12 bracket. And with the list we have that's just not acceptable. |
First half of the year we were lousy with a very young team decimated by injury and a constant stream of players into the side who had not played together before. Since the bye we have started to get exoerienced players back, and we have beaten three top eight sides. We would also have beaten another one, the Bulldogs, had they not "dodged a bullet" (in Luke
Beveridge's words) when we lost four of our players (including three of our most important players) late in the third quarter, after being in front all day and looking strong.
Young developing teams with a high injury rate do not win games. That is almost an iron law of football at nearly every level. Yet, in your reinforced concrete world view, when we lose it is because the coach is clueless. When we win it is bcause the opposition has a high training load. What would constitute contrary evidence in your system of thought ?
Oh and the "fact" you quote above about GWS increasing their training load the week we played them seems to be referenced nowhere on the entire internet. Do you actually have a credible source for this "fact" ? |
Excellent post, could not have said it better myself, hammer, nail head and bang. If we won the flag, the Bucks whingers would still piss and moan, its in their DNA. |
Someone really should turn this into a sitcom |
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| Krakouer Magic wrote: | | 1st half of the year we were lousy because of coaching and game plan. More so than who was on the park. I just love reinventing the story. |
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The "perceptive fellow" are out in force today.
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Krakouer Magic
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| The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Krakouer Magic wrote: | | Albert Parker wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | Well, our rubbish coach has now piloted the team to three victories over top eight sides since the bye. Today his young team were so motivated that they withstood an onslaught from a team with everything to play for, when we had nothing to play for but pride, and we soaked it up and rolled past them. We did it without our two most creative forwards in Fasolo and Elliott, and without our best runner off half-back in Sinclair. This is the coach that cannot motivate a side, according to some posters.
The skills were often horrible, but that is what happens with a young and inexperienced side who have not played together much, and who are learning about their teammates in a high pressure game. There is a lot that can and will improve, from defending kickouts to providing an option when a player is on the burst, but Nathan Buckley's young team is coming along nicely and improving week-by-week. In the past few years we have been front-runners and compounded in the second half of the season as youngsters ran out of legs. This year our first half was crucified by injury but we are running the season out better. All very good signs for the future. |
In fact, 3 currently sitting in the top 5 and we haven't played one of the other top 5 teams. It's encouraging. |
And still lost to Melbourne twice, Carlton, St Kilda and North. I can pick and choose stats and facts to. GWS win was when they started their high training load (fact).
Which 3 top 8 sides have we beaten since the bye? GWS and WCE.
Again, like I said weeks ago, there are always a few strange results from rounds 15 to 22 in regard to top 8 sides. They are training harder and preparing for finals. Imagine how awesome we'd be if we were going through a higher training load at the moment... Please, we'd be atrocious. Always next year and the year after that with Naffan at the helm though...
All teams below us, except the lions and Richmond, will continue to improve next year. I can see us scrapping into 8th at best if a few top teams suffer because of a harder draw. Realistically though, with an easy draw we'll still be in the 8 to 12 bracket. And with the list we have that's just not acceptable. |
First half of the year we were lousy with a very young team decimated by injury and a constant stream of players into the side who had not played together before. Since the bye we have started to get exoerienced players back, and we have beaten three top eight sides. We would also have beaten another one, the Bulldogs, had they not "dodged a bullet" (in Luke
Beveridge's words) when we lost four of our players (including three of our most important players) late in the third quarter, after being in front all day and looking strong.
Young developing teams with a high injury rate do not win games. That is almost an iron law of football at nearly every level. Yet, in your reinforced concrete world view, when we lose it is because the coach is clueless. When we win it is bcause the opposition has a high training load. What would constitute contrary evidence in your system of thought ?
Oh and the "fact" you quote above about GWS increasing their training load the week we played them seems to be referenced nowhere on the entire internet. Do you actually have a credible source for this "fact" ? |
Excellent post, could not have said it better myself, hammer, nail head and bang. If we won the flag, the Bucks whingers would still piss and moan, its in their DNA. |
Someone really should turn this into a sitcom |
Yeah it's freaking astounding. Apparently it's only Collingwood that ever does high training loads to prep for finals (cough cough at least when we used to be top 8 ) ... No other club bothers to do it... What's Latin for "may the magpie be mediocre"... Cause that would reflect the current attitude of the lollipopers. |
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| Krakouer Magic wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Krakouer Magic wrote: | | Albert Parker wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | Well, our rubbish coach has now piloted the team to three victories over top eight sides since the bye. Today his young team were so motivated that they withstood an onslaught from a team with everything to play for, when we had nothing to play for but pride, and we soaked it up and rolled past them. We did it without our two most creative forwards in Fasolo and Elliott, and without our best runner off half-back in Sinclair. This is the coach that cannot motivate a side, according to some posters.
The skills were often horrible, but that is what happens with a young and inexperienced side who have not played together much, and who are learning about their teammates in a high pressure game. There is a lot that can and will improve, from defending kickouts to providing an option when a player is on the burst, but Nathan Buckley's young team is coming along nicely and improving week-by-week. In the past few years we have been front-runners and compounded in the second half of the season as youngsters ran out of legs. This year our first half was crucified by injury but we are running the season out better. All very good signs for the future. |
In fact, 3 currently sitting in the top 5 and we haven't played one of the other top 5 teams. It's encouraging. |
And still lost to Melbourne twice, Carlton, St Kilda and North. I can pick and choose stats and facts to. GWS win was when they started their high training load (fact).
Which 3 top 8 sides have we beaten since the bye? GWS and WCE.
Again, like I said weeks ago, there are always a few strange results from rounds 15 to 22 in regard to top 8 sides. They are training harder and preparing for finals. Imagine how awesome we'd be if we were going through a higher training load at the moment... Please, we'd be atrocious. Always next year and the year after that with Naffan at the helm though...
All teams below us, except the lions and Richmond, will continue to improve next year. I can see us scrapping into 8th at best if a few top teams suffer because of a harder draw. Realistically though, with an easy draw we'll still be in the 8 to 12 bracket. And with the list we have that's just not acceptable. |
First half of the year we were lousy with a very young team decimated by injury and a constant stream of players into the side who had not played together before. Since the bye we have started to get exoerienced players back, and we have beaten three top eight sides. We would also have beaten another one, the Bulldogs, had they not "dodged a bullet" (in Luke
Beveridge's words) when we lost four of our players (including three of our most important players) late in the third quarter, after being in front all day and looking strong.
Young developing teams with a high injury rate do not win games. That is almost an iron law of football at nearly every level. Yet, in your reinforced concrete world view, when we lose it is because the coach is clueless. When we win it is bcause the opposition has a high training load. What would constitute contrary evidence in your system of thought ?
Oh and the "fact" you quote above about GWS increasing their training load the week we played them seems to be referenced nowhere on the entire internet. Do you actually have a credible source for this "fact" ? |
1st half of the year we were lousy because of coaching and game plan. More so than who was on the park. You guys just love reinventing the story.
Rounds 1 to 7. We beat stk (who had 1 on the bench in the 4th qtr), Melbourne and Carlton if we have a better more experienced coach that drilled the whole list properly (not just our best 22) over the preseason. As a coach you prepare for the worst hope for the best.
The game plan changed significantly after the west coast loss in round 6. The week after the blues Eddie questioned the game plan. On AFL 360 after the Lions win Nathan says "the coaches are coaching 5 to 10% more... Taking control of the group at training and directing the playing group more"... That to me screams "WTF are you muppets doing? Yes you have injuries and a young list but whys it take you 7 rounds to ram what's required down the players throat. You had a whole preseason (and 4 seasons previous) to drill it into them".
Let's not forget the preseason news articles with Nathan saying everything was in place and he'd been smelling the roses more this preseason. Finals bound oh yeah!
Again, which 3 top 8 sides have we beaten since the bye? GWS, WCE And who?
As for having to give a credible source about when top 8 teams go into higher training loads to prepare for finals, well I remember we used to drop a few games to sh1t teams in 2006-09 during the rounds of 15 through to 22. Every top 8 side would be doing the same higher loads considering they've known the top 8 has been locked since the bye rounds.
But here's an article for you to back up my claims. It's from a few years ago but note the date, first week of July - http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-07/cats-enduring-heavy-training-load-to-peak-for-september-stokes
I don't have any direct quotes from Leon Cameron though if that's what you want. But are you seriously going to claim GWS coaching and fitness staff are so incompetent in preparing for finals that they just haven't bothered with a higher training load? Or are you saying they didn't start their high loads until after we beat them? This would be an odd view considering they knew they were finals bound by round 12.
I'm 100% certain that top 8 sides do higher loads from around round 15 on. Some times probably earlier. It happens every year. It's just fact. I'll keep sticking to the facts though. You keep fighting the good fight with spin.
I'll see you this time next year. Who knows we might get a few cheap victories against top 8 sides again in 2017 |
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^ What you can find referenced is the fact that (a) GWS have won their last three games despite this new "higher training load" which drains so much energy ; and (b) the following quote from Mumford today in The Age : "As a midfield group against Collingwood we put our hand up. We weren't hard enough, they pantsed us in contested ball and their work rate was twice as good as ours."
Training load ... pffft. Maybe our sh!t team and coach actually beat the AFL's Frankenstein champion side on their merits. Like we did Geelong, like we did WCE, as we have started to get the core of our team back and build shared experience together. KM's "fact" looks a lot like fact-free propaganda.
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Love it when the spuds resort to a one line answer.
They don't even know they're beaten.
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| Mugwump wrote: | ^ What you can find referenced is the fact that (a) GWS have won their last three games despite this new "higher training load" which drains so much energy ; and (b) the following quote from Mumford today in The Age : "As a midfield group against Collingwood we put our hand up. We weren't hard enough, they pantsed us in contested ball and their work rate was twice as good as ours."
Training load ... pffft. Maybe our sh!t team and coach actually beat the AFL's Frankenstein champion side on their merits. Like we did Geelong, like we did WCE, as we have started to get the core of our team back and build shared experience together. KM's "fact" looks a lot like fact-free propaganda. |
Hahaha yep and how'd we go vs North again? Remember the "final" Bucks talked up? Jesus, it's fact clubs prepping for finals have a mini pre season to peak from about round 18 on. If you can't handle that fact then I guess you know absolutely nothing about football.
And no, most teams don't talk up their high training loads during this periods. I was surprised Geelong talked about it in the media in 2014. For what ever reason finals clubs act as though they aren't doing it. They just don't talk about it in the media probably cause they don't want their players making excuses for a loss.
Cam Mooney usually talks openly about higher training loads and tapering the cats used to do (sometime for around 6 weeks) on SEN. At least he used to a few years back.
You can't tell me GWS didn't look at the draw, Essendon, Carlton, Bye, Collingwood, Lions and Port and didn't go "yep, lets risk it. 6 weeks of a higher training load with reduced recovery time". Struggled vs Ess, Carlton, Collingwood, Lions (in 1st qtr) and Port (1st half). Then they increase recovery times during the week and boom look out tigers cause GWS are running on top of the ground now.
Honestly, how often does the 18th rank side in clearances beat the 1st ranked side in clearances on game day? And Grundy towelled up Mumford that day to. Maybe GWS got nutted at the clearances cause they were all tired. It would explain the resent turn around in form as opposed to the "oh mummy said this and that in the media". I don't believe a word that's said by Collingwood players in the media, why would I think GWS are speaking any less BS.
And as for WCE, can we stop carrying as though they are a good side. They are good in Perth. That's it.
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kymbo5@yahoo.com.au
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Guess Krakouer Magic any of us can find any game this year and use it to highlight a point of view we might have on the coach, coaching staff, team and/or club. I respect your view and share your disappointment over the loss to Nth Melb.
However, I disagree totally with your statement that we are going nowhere. Bucks has withstood enormous pressure during this year in particular. He has shown the same committment and courage he showed on the field. Since the bye we are less affected by injury, strengthened by more consistent, settled lineups week in, week out and our 4-2 w/l result is simple, undisputable fact. I am very comfortable we are heading north and I will continue to support the team and club accordingly.
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Ever remember Mick sitting in the box with a dumb blank stare on his face, doing nothing while our team gets torn a new one for three and a half quarters?
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Tut tar.
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