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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 5:59 am
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Oh I get it. Very interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 10:16 am
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Apparently there was a fire in the toilet. Fires in airliner toilets are regrettably common, and often quite deadly. Most fires in the cabin start in the toilets (people go in there to sneak a smoke and accidentally set fire to the paper towel container or suchlike) and this wouldn't be the first or even the fifth airliner to crash that way.

If there was indeed smoke detected before the blast, then it is silly to suppose it was a bomb - why would a bomb make a lot of smoke before it went off? You would have to suppose that there was an ordinary accidental fire and a bomb at the same time. Most unlikely.

On the other hand, while cabin fires have brought many an airliner to grief, they don't usually result in large explosions only a short while after discovery of the fire. So there is certainly a mystery still to be solved.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 10:22 am
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Pies4shaw wrote:
it would be a bit disappointing if making sudden 360 degree turns at 27,000 feet, plummeting 22,000 feet and disintegrating was a deliberate design feature developed by Boeing.


Well yes, it would. For starters, there will be an almighty big legal case when Boeing finds out about it and sues Airbus for unauthorised use of patented, Boeing-designed technology on the Airbus A320.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 10:43 am
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Tannin wrote:
Apparently there was a fire in the toilet. Fires in airliner toilets are regrettably common, and often quite deadly. Most fires in the cabin start in the toilets (people go in there to sneak a smoke and accidentally set fire to the paper towel container or suchlike) and this wouldn't be the first or even the fifth airliner to crash that way.

If there was indeed smoke detected before the blast, then it is silly to suppose it was a bomb - why would a bomb make a lot of smoke before it went off? You would have to suppose that there was an ordinary accidental fire and a bomb at the same time. Most unlikely.

On the other hand, while cabin fires have brought many an airliner to grief, they don't usually result in large explosions only a short while after discovery of the fire. So there is certainly a mystery still to be solved.

If this proves to be correct, someone will likely claim that this is what happens when you let smoking Muslims use the bathrooms on planes.


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Pretty sure most, if not all, planes still have an ashtray in the toilets. People think it's stupid, since you can't smoke on planes anymore. They're actually there specifically for the sneaky smokers, to use that instead of the paper bin.
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^ Yep. Ashtrays, no smoking signs, smoke detectors, fire-retardant materials, the works. There has been a whole pile of engineering changes go into this over the last 30 or 40 years. I'd have thought a modern aircraft like the A320 would have engineered out the possibility of a hull loss accident from a fire in the toilet - it's more the sort of thing you used to get in DC9 and 727 days.

But how do we explain the smoke detector thing and the explosion thing? Very much a mystery still; it will take a while for the truth to emerge, you'd reckon.

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Incendiary device. Not all bombs go bang.
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But some are.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 10:53 am
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Tannin wrote:
Apparently there was a fire in the toilet. Fires in airliner toilets are regrettably common, and often quite deadly. Most fires in the cabin start in the toilets (people go in there to sneak a smoke and accidentally set fire to the paper towel container or suchlike) and this wouldn't be the first or even the fifth airliner to crash that way.

If there was indeed smoke detected before the blast, then it is silly to suppose it was a bomb - why would a bomb make a lot of smoke before it went off? You would have to suppose that there was an ordinary accidental fire and a bomb at the same time. Most unlikely.

On the other hand, while cabin fires have brought many an airliner to grief, they don't usually result in large explosions only a short while after discovery of the fire. So there is certainly a mystery still to be solved.


David Learmount, a widely-respected aviation expert and editor of the authoritative Flightglobal magazine, said Aviation Herald's reported readings from the plane's Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or ACARS, suggested a quick-spreading fire.

He said on his website: "The question now is whether the fire that caused the smoke was the result of an electrical fault - for example a short-circuit caused by damaged wiring - or whether some form of explosive or incendiary device was used."

Mr Baum was sceptical that a fire alone was the reason the plane went down.

"Fires happen aboard aircraft, but they don't usually result in the destruction of the aircraft in three minutes," he said.

Some have wondered at the lack of a mayday signal, but Mr Baum said that could make sense if the crew was unconscious or struggling to regain control of the aircraft.


http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/audio-reveals-egyptair-pilot-telling-air-traffic-controllers-good-night-shortly-before-crash-which-killed-all-on-board/ar-BBtmjWa?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=sl5mdhp

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Let's assume it was a bomb, Skids. It's usual for terrorists to claim responsibility (aka "credit") for their handiwork - otherwise it's "just" another dramatic aviation disaster. Do you have a theory about why no-one has put their hand up in this case?
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Not sure P4S. I tend to go along with this theory (aka "rationale"). Wink

Usually, when it's a terror attack, they've claimed responsibility by now.

No terror groups have attempted to take credit for the crash of EgyptAir Flight 804, on the fifth day after the plane and 66 people on board disappeared over the Mediterranean. That may mean that something besides terrorists caused the tragedy; it could also mean something more sinister.


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/23/

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Skids wrote:
Not sure P4S. I tend to go along with this theory (aka "rationale"). Wink

Usually, when it's a terror attack, they've claimed responsibility by now.

No terror groups have attempted to take credit for the crash of EgyptAir Flight 804, on the fifth day after the plane and 66 people on board disappeared over the Mediterranean. That may mean that something besides terrorists caused the tragedy; it could also mean something more sinister.


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/23/


Um, page is gone.


Do people really sneak smokes in the loo on a plane? Surely the smell would alert the hostie?

Wonder if this has any thing to do with it?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egyptair-flight-ms804-crash-grafitti-daubed-on-plane-saying-we-will-bring-this-plane-down-a7041946.html

Did any group ever take responsibility for MH370? Wikipedia shows debris showing up over a large area, but a long time later.

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think positive wrote:
Skids wrote:
Not sure P4S. I tend to go along with this theory (aka "rationale"). Wink

Usually, when it's a terror attack, they've claimed responsibility by now.

No terror groups have attempted to take credit for the crash of EgyptAir Flight 804, on the fifth day after the plane and 66 people on board disappeared over the Mediterranean. That may mean that something besides terrorists caused the tragedy; it could also mean something more sinister.


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/23/


Um, page is gone.


Do people really sneak smokes in the loo on a plane? Surely the smell would alert the hostie?

Wonder if this has any thing to do with it?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egyptair-flight-ms804-crash-grafitti-daubed-on-plane-saying-we-will-bring-this-plane-down-a7041946.html

Did any group ever take responsibility for MH370? Wikipedia shows debris showing up over a large area, but a long time later.


That's what I would have thought too, but if they're desperate enough to smoke on an aeroplane I guess whatever couple of puffs they get in before they get the door opened for them would satisfy them.
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think positive wrote:
Skids wrote:
Not sure P4S. I tend to go along with this theory (aka "rationale"). Wink

Usually, when it's a terror attack, they've claimed responsibility by now.

No terror groups have attempted to take credit for the crash of EgyptAir Flight 804, on the fifth day after the plane and 66 people on board disappeared over the Mediterranean. That may mean that something besides terrorists caused the tragedy; it could also mean something more sinister.


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/23/


Um, page is gone.


Do people really sneak smokes in the loo on a plane? Surely the smell would alert the hostie?

Wonder if this has any thing to do with it?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egyptair-flight-ms804-crash-grafitti-daubed-on-plane-saying-we-will-bring-this-plane-down-a7041946.html

Did any group ever take responsibility for MH370? Wikipedia shows debris showing up over a large area, but a long time later.


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/23/egyptair-crash-why-no-terrorist-groups-have-claimed-responsibility.html

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luvdids wrote:
think positive wrote:
Skids wrote:
Not sure P4S. I tend to go along with this theory (aka "rationale"). Wink

Usually, when it's a terror attack, they've claimed responsibility by now.

No terror groups have attempted to take credit for the crash of EgyptAir Flight 804, on the fifth day after the plane and 66 people on board disappeared over the Mediterranean. That may mean that something besides terrorists caused the tragedy; it could also mean something more sinister.


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/23/


Um, page is gone.


Do people really sneak smokes in the loo on a plane? Surely the smell would alert the hostie?

Wonder if this has any thing to do with it?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egyptair-flight-ms804-crash-grafitti-daubed-on-plane-saying-we-will-bring-this-plane-down-a7041946.html

Did any group ever take responsibility for MH370? Wikipedia shows debris showing up over a large area, but a long time later.


That's what I would have thought too, but if they're desperate enough to smoke on an aeroplane I guess whatever couple of puffs they get in before they get the door opened for them would satisfy them.


I've got a nicotine inhaler and sleeping tablets for the 18 hour flight to LA. I don't get people who can't last a few hours on a short flight.

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