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thompsoc
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| watt price tully wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Cuthbert Collingwood wrote: | I cannot believe that you experts have solved the riddle of Jamie's injury, and from your armchairs as well!!!!
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Waddya mean?
I just did a course on the web on back surgery, obtained a higher degree from the online university of speculation & I'm ready to operate now. |
What a boring and a smart arse statement.
Belittle, put down and just chase down any heretic.
Report any heretics to the "House of Un Collingwood Activities."
it has that whiff of the 1950's about it. |
Spending too much time on the net are we?
Thompsoc, you need to get out more & smell the roses.
Yours & others views here is opinion based on speculation. Unless you've done a sophisticated path analysis or something similar to determine actual causation the rest is speculation.
You can't prove what you've speculated to be fact.
However, you can do the same online course as me   |
Of course it is just speculation or an informed opinion.
So what.
I have no idea about whether the fitness dudes have stuffed the club.
I know that there is a high proportion of injuries at Collingwood over the last few years and KM has put forward his views.
I thought they were well written and informative.
But as usual we get the attack dogs on to him.
I don't mind if people say rubbish ...and this is the reason why!!
But you get attack after attack about their credibility.
One poster snipped another the other day by saying he got his information from playing netball.
Inference... you are a girl!
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| watt price tully wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Cuthbert Collingwood wrote: | I cannot believe that you experts have solved the riddle of Jamie's injury, and from your armchairs as well!!!!
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Waddya mean?
I just did a course on the web on back surgery, obtained a higher degree from the online university of speculation & I'm ready to operate now. |
What a boring and a smart arse statement.
Belittle, put down and just chase down any heretic.
Report any heretics to the "House of Un Collingwood Activities."
it has that whiff of the 1950's about it. |
Spending too much time on the net are we?
Thompsoc, you need to get out more & smell the roses.
Yours & others views here is opinion based on speculation. Unless you've done a sophisticated path analysis or something similar to determine actual causation the rest is speculation.
You can't prove what you've speculated to be fact.
However, you can do the same online course as me |
I thought your comments were quite witty. KM has shown him/herself to have a good sense of humour and happy to engage in a bit of banter. I doubt any offence would have been taken. |
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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| jackcass wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Cuthbert Collingwood wrote: | I cannot believe that you experts have solved the riddle of Jamie's injury, and from your armchairs as well!!!!
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Waddya mean?
I just did a course on the web on back surgery, obtained a higher degree from the online university of speculation & I'm ready to operate now. |
What a boring and a smart arse statement.
Belittle, put down and just chase down any heretic.
Report any heretics to the "House of Un Collingwood Activities."
it has that whiff of the 1950's about it. |
Spending too much time on the net are we?
Thompsoc, you need to get out more & smell the roses.
Yours & others views here is opinion based on speculation. Unless you've done a sophisticated path analysis or something similar to determine actual causation the rest is speculation.
You can't prove what you've speculated to be fact.
However, you can do the same online course as me |
I thought your comments were quite witty. KM has shown him/herself to have a good sense of humour and happy to engage in a bit of banter. I doubt any offence would have been taken. |
I would have thought his comments were more watty than witty.......  
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watt price tully 
Joined: 15 May 2007
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| jackcass wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Cuthbert Collingwood wrote: | I cannot believe that you experts have solved the riddle of Jamie's injury, and from your armchairs as well!!!!
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Waddya mean?
I just did a course on the web on back surgery, obtained a higher degree from the online university of speculation & I'm ready to operate now. |
What a boring and a smart arse statement.
Belittle, put down and just chase down any heretic.
Report any heretics to the "House of Un Collingwood Activities."
it has that whiff of the 1950's about it. |
Spending too much time on the net are we?
Thompsoc, you need to get out more & smell the roses.
Yours & others views here is opinion based on speculation. Unless you've done a sophisticated path analysis or something similar to determine actual causation the rest is speculation.
You can't prove what you've speculated to be fact.
However, you can do the same online course as me |
I thought your comments were quite witty. KM has shown him/herself to have a good sense of humour and happy to engage in a bit of banter. I doubt any offence would have been taken. |
I find it funny at work because we have to do a lot on annual online training. For example fire training: 10 minute video, answer some questions & voila. Stll, it's not brain surgery
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September Zeros
Joined: 04 Oct 2012
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| thompsoc wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Cuthbert Collingwood wrote: | I cannot believe that you experts have solved the riddle of Jamie's injury, and from your armchairs as well!!!!
..... |
Waddya mean?
I just did a course on the web on back surgery, obtained a higher degree from the online university of speculation & I'm ready to operate now. |
What a boring and a smart arse statement.
Belittle, put down and just chase down any heretic.
Report any heretics to the "House of Un Collingwood Activities."
it has that whiff of the 1950's about it. |
Spending too much time on the net are we?
Thompsoc, you need to get out more & smell the roses.
Yours & others views here is opinion based on speculation. Unless you've done a sophisticated path analysis or something similar to determine actual causation the rest is speculation.
You can't prove what you've speculated to be fact.
However, you can do the same online course as me |
Of course it is just speculation or an informed opinion.
So what.
I have no idea about whether the fitness dudes have stuffed the club.
I know that there is a high proportion of injuries at Collingwood over the last few years and KM has put forward his views.
I thought they were well written and informative.
But as usual we get the attack dogs on to him.
I don't mind if people say rubbish ...and this is the reason why!!
But you get attack after attack about their credibility.
One poster snipped another the other day by saying he got his information from playing netball.
Inference... you are a girl! |
Do you think your being a little over sensitive Thommsoc? I merely see two differing views both putting thier case forward.
You seem to want to perpetuate the division on here. The Us vs them.
I think the club are sensible enough and have enough resources to identify when something isn't working and change the way they go about things. I'm pretty sure they would have looked at training loads and injury correlation way before we started even thinking about it.
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They used to be a happy team at hawthorn.
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Mr September Zero
I am not arguing for or against what KM said.
I have no knowledge in this area, other than to acknowledge a problem with injuries recently.
The problem is, as always, the way people belittle an opinion whether good, bad or indifferent.
I have often seen how a newbie comes on here and he/she gets immediately put down.
It maybe their grammar or the topic has been posted numerous times before or whatever.
I am guilty of this myself, but in defense, it is usually after an attack.
I will shut up now, enough said.
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we don't eat our own at collingwood we just allow them to foul our nest. |
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Krakouer Magic
Joined: 05 Apr 2011
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| jackcass wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Cuthbert Collingwood wrote: | I cannot believe that you experts have solved the riddle of Jamie's injury, and from your armchairs as well!!!!
..... |
Waddya mean?
I just did a course on the web on back surgery, obtained a higher degree from the online university of speculation & I'm ready to operate now. |
What a boring and a smart arse statement.
Belittle, put down and just chase down any heretic.
Report any heretics to the "House of Un Collingwood Activities."
it has that whiff of the 1950's about it. |
Spending too much time on the net are we?
Thompsoc, you need to get out more & smell the roses.
Yours & others views here is opinion based on speculation. Unless you've done a sophisticated path analysis or something similar to determine actual causation the rest is speculation.
You can't prove what you've speculated to be fact.
However, you can do the same online course as me |
I thought your comments were quite witty. KM has shown him/herself to have a good sense of humour and happy to engage in a bit of banter. I doubt any offence would have been taken. |
Nah no offence taken.
I understand if I post on a forum then I'm likely to get feedback good, bad or indifferent.
And I understand my views can be quite critical of aspects of the club, which could be annoying to some or cause posters to question the merit of what I say.
I've also been known to be a smartass myself so I'm certainly not going to wilt or play the victim when someone does the same to me. My views are pretty strong and bound to have some blow back. I mean if someone just went on an abusive tirad against me that'd be a little strange but a bit of tit or tat ain't gonna hurt me.
I understand what Thompsoc is saying though in the sense of new posters on here. But for me its water off a ducks back really. If I'm gonna make strong statements and draw conclusions, then I accept the reaction to it could be just as strong.
Now just to clarify, I don't own an armchair.
My (self proclaimed) "genius" online research and cynical theorising is undertaken from a balcony theatre seat, statler and waldorf style!! |
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September Zeros
Joined: 04 Oct 2012
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| thompsoc wrote: | Mr September Zero
I am not arguing for or against what KM said.
I have no knowledge in this area, other than to acknowledge a problem with injuries recently.
The problem is, as always, the way people belittle an opinion whether good, bad or indifferent.
I have often seen how a newbie comes on here and he/she gets immediately put down.
It maybe their grammar or the topic has been posted numerous times before or whatever.
I am guilty of this myself, but in defense, it is usually after an attack.
I will shut up now, enough said. |
I know what your saying and to a degree at times you are right. But on the fat side of the ground we are all largely footy mates and at the least footy allies. As for newbies there is a big difference between a new poster wanting to put forward a measured argument and a poster like jiz.
Whom btw is strangely quiet, while you and I and the rest of us battle on. They'll be back though and likely after the Geelong game should it go as expected.
I think it's important for us to squash the whole "your in this group" or "your in that group".
The reason. Because it's quite easy to love the club and critique it all at the same time. It doesn't have to be all one way traffic all the time.
Anyway I should not derail any further. You know I respect you.
Go Blair !
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Member 7167 
"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
Location: The Collibran Hideout
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| thompsoc wrote: | Mr September Zero
I am not arguing for or against what KM said.
I have no knowledge in this area, other than to acknowledge a problem with injuries recently.
The problem is, as always, the way people belittle an opinion whether good, bad or indifferent.
I have often seen how a newbie comes on here and he/she gets immediately put down.
It maybe their grammar or the topic has been posted numerous times before or whatever.
I am guilty of this myself, but in defense, it is usually after an attack.
I will shut up now, enough said. |
The problem is thompsoc is that too many respond in an attacking manner and eventually it takes on a life of its own. If people showed more restraint and broke the links in the chain by not responding then Nicks would be more enjoyable for all.
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John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
Joined: 15 Jul 2007
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| watt price tully wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Cuthbert Collingwood wrote: | I cannot believe that you experts have solved the riddle of Jamie's injury, and from your armchairs as well!!!!
..... |
Waddya mean?
I just did a course on the web on back surgery, obtained a higher degree from the online university of speculation & I'm ready to operate now. |
What a boring and a smart arse statement.
Belittle, put down and just chase down any heretic.
Report any heretics to the "House of Un Collingwood Activities."
it has that whiff of the 1950's about it. |
Spending too much time on the net are we?
Thompsoc, you need to get out more & smell the roses.
Yours & others views here is opinion based on speculation. Unless you've done a sophisticated path analysis or something similar to determine actual causation the rest is speculation.
You can't prove what you've speculated to be fact.
However, you can do the same online course as me |
I thought your comments were quite witty. KM has shown him/herself to have a good sense of humour and happy to engage in a bit of banter. I doubt any offence would have been taken. |
I find it funny at work because we have to do a lot on annual online training. For example fire training: 10 minute video, answer some questions & voila. Stll, it's not brain surgery |
thread topic: jamie elliott injury update not your vocational studies update.
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watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
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| John Wren wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Cuthbert Collingwood wrote: | I cannot believe that you experts have solved the riddle of Jamie's injury, and from your armchairs as well!!!!
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Waddya mean?
I just did a course on the web on back surgery, obtained a higher degree from the online university of speculation & I'm ready to operate now. |
What a boring and a smart arse statement.
Belittle, put down and just chase down any heretic.
Report any heretics to the "House of Un Collingwood Activities."
it has that whiff of the 1950's about it. |
Spending too much time on the net are we?
Thompsoc, you need to get out more & smell the roses.
Yours & others views here is opinion based on speculation. Unless you've done a sophisticated path analysis or something similar to determine actual causation the rest is speculation.
You can't prove what you've speculated to be fact.
However, you can do the same online course as me |
I thought your comments were quite witty. KM has shown him/herself to have a good sense of humour and happy to engage in a bit of banter. I doubt any offence would have been taken. |
I find it funny at work because we have to do a lot on annual online training. For example fire training: 10 minute video, answer some questions & voila. Stll, it's not brain surgery |
thread topic: jamie elliott injury update not your vocational studies update. |
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Collingwood Crackerjack
Joined: 28 Jul 2008
Location: Canberra
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| thompsoc wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Cuthbert Collingwood wrote: | I cannot believe that you experts have solved the riddle of Jamie's injury, and from your armchairs as well!!!!
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Waddya mean?
I just did a course on the web on back surgery, obtained a higher degree from the online university of speculation & I'm ready to operate now. |
What a boring and a smart arse statement.
Belittle, put down and just chase down any heretic.
Report any heretics to the "House of Un Collingwood Activities."
it has that whiff of the 1950's about it. |
I line have used before, but lets give it another run
"Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Nicks "perceptive fellow" party?"
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Cuthbert Collingwood 
Once was on fire, now all at sea
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: The BBC (Brunswick Bowling Club)
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Quite funny really to be described as an attack dog thonpsoc old stick, the bozo line was not aimed at km (was more aimed at you thomsoc, still haven't forgiven you for flaming me about 5 years ago lol) and I didn't mind what he put on the table, just didn't agree. I'm probably more of an attack Labrador tbh. Though I express my right to express myself in the way I express myself.
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
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| Krakouer Magic wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | Krakouer Magic wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | IIRC the kid did a massive personal training regime in order to set himself up to be drafted in the first place. The initial damage may well have been done then as it wasn't exactly a program structured by a sports scientist, more like an old fashioned bust a gut/work like buggery then do it again regime.
The change to Davoran trying to increase players endurance capabilities to what was needed to play the current game styles probably didn't help, but like a stress fracture, it's bloody hard to diagnose until it shows real signs by which time it's too late. |
Yep, hard nosed local trainer worked with him. |
Yep I agree its more likely that Elliott's pars defect is directly related to the 9 week training he did with Kevin McFarlane in 2011 before we even drafted him. I say this because sports scientists never get it wrong. Cough cough Essendon... Cough cough stk with Davoran.... Cough cough Bulldogs with Davoran...
Everyone knows the 2014 season was ruined by the training regime. Was it 15 hamstring injuries that year?
My money is not on anything McFarlane did in 2011. Let's just say I don't know for sure, but Im comfortably satisfied (there's a term the sports scientist must love) that Elliott is still paying the long term effects of the 30% increase in training that happend over 13/14. |
Exactly from where did you pull "9 weeks"? IIRC it was a fair bit longer than that, but feel free to provide a source to prove me wrong. |
http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jamie-elliotts-iron-will-to-be-and-beat-the-best-20140514-zrchs.html |
Fairy Nuff. Pay that, I thought it was longer.
It may well have been the increase in training load that triggered the issue, but the increase in training load was a deliberate attempt to achieve an outcome of more endurance, so it's hardly a poor strategy, and you can't anticipate a reaction like that until it presents and then you have to manage it.
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matrix10
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Apparently Jamie and Scharenberg have been analyisng the mental conditions of posters in this forum.
They have come to the conclusion that it is all Hiss's fault |
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