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inxs88
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Given he is only 23 years old, Treloar is tracking like a champion with his level of consistency, ball gathering skills and all round abilities.
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| thompsoc wrote: | Not completely sold on Treloar.
wish he was 190cm and not 182cm
An excellent player but I am not sure whether he is a champion.
We paid a champion price. |
No because to do so would be to admit that someone at the club got it right. At this stage he has delivered and you can'y ask more than that. Bloody hell we did the competition a favour. If he was still at GWS they would nearly be on top.
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thompsoc
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| ronrat wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | Not completely sold on Treloar.
wish he was 190cm and not 182cm
An excellent player but I am not sure whether he is a champion.
We paid a champion price. |
No because to do so would be to admit that someone at the club got it right. At this stage he has delivered and you can'y ask more than that. Bloody hell we did the competition a favour. If he was still at GWS they would nearly be on top. |
Well, we gave GWS another 2 top 10 picks and if we tank then it maybe a top 5 pick this year.
Exactly what GWS expected.
They always knew that a percentage of their talent would go south so topping up for a few more years with some top 10 picks is what they wanted.
So we really did the competition a favour ha ha ha!
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| Culprit wrote: | http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-19/dangerfield-v-treloar-who-has-been-the-better-recruit
Danger V Treloar |
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Bob Sugar
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| jackcass wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-19/dangerfield-v-treloar-who-has-been-the-better-recruit
Danger V Treloar |
Good read. |
Treloars no Dangerfield, But then again no one is really.
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| thompsoc wrote: | Not completely sold on Treloar.
wish he was 190cm and not 182cm
An excellent player but I am not sure whether he is a champion.
We paid a champion price. |
I actually said the same thing to a mate when we were after Buckley when he was in the SANFL.
He was billed then as a centre/half forward and at first i thought he was a highly billed CHF. When I realised he was a midfielder I spat the dummy. I recall saying that we need another fkn midfielder like an ash tray on a motor cycle.
He turned out OK.  
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September Zeros
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| stui magpie wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | Not completely sold on Treloar.
wish he was 190cm and not 182cm
An excellent player but I am not sure whether he is a champion.
We paid a champion price. |
I actually said the same thing to a mate when we were after Buckley when he was in the SANFL.
He was billed then as a centre/half forward and at first i thought he was a highly billed CHF. When I realised he was a midfielder I spat the dummy. I recall saying that we need another fkn midfielder like an ash tray on a motor cycle.
He turned out OK. |
But you have the advantage of hindsight with bucks.
I think Thommsoc is within his right to cast a watchful eye over Treloar.
No doubt he is "tracking right" but we did pay top dollar. We paid more than Geelong did for danger. I know we had to, we had no choice where as Geelong had all the leverage in their trade.
Trades aside and in the wash .....they paid less for an established absolute gun. We paid more for a guy who looks like he will be an absolute gun.
But being one and looking like you likely will be one are two different things.
I think we are all quietly confident, but he needs that extra little something to be in the same class. That might come simply through age, experience, a full pre season etc etc.... Point is he isn't there yet. And until he absolutely is. Some level of skeptisism is ok in my books.
Although he is averaging over a goal a game? I'd like to see him start slotting a few more on the run. He certainly gets himself into the right position to do so each week. If he can become an even more damaging finisher....that might just be enough on its own.
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thompsoc
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| September Zeros wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | Not completely sold on Treloar.
wish he was 190cm and not 182cm
An excellent player but I am not sure whether he is a champion.
We paid a champion price. |
I actually said the same thing to a mate when we were after Buckley when he was in the SANFL.
He was billed then as a centre/half forward and at first i thought he was a highly billed CHF. When I realised he was a midfielder I spat the dummy. I recall saying that we need another fkn midfielder like an ash tray on a motor cycle.
He turned out OK. |
But you have the advantage of hindsight with bucks.
I think Thommsoc is within his right to cast a watchful eye over Treloar.
No doubt he is "tracking right" but we did pay top dollar. We paid more than Geelong did for danger. I know we had to, we had no choice where as Geelong had all the leverage in their trade.
Trades aside and in the wash .....they paid less for an established absolute gun. We paid more for a guy who looks like he will be an absolute gun.
But being one and looking like you likely will be one are two different things.
I think we are all quietly confident, but he needs that extra little something to be in the same class. That might come simply through age, experience, a full pre season etc etc.... Point is he isn't there yet. And until he absolutely is. Some level of skeptisism is ok in my books.
Although he is averaging over a goal a game? I'd like to see him start slotting a few more on the run. He certainly gets himself into the right position to do so each week. If he can become an even more damaging finisher....that might just be enough on its own. |
Well Mr September Zero thank God we agree.
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Dave The Man 
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Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| September Zeros wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | Not completely sold on Treloar.
wish he was 190cm and not 182cm
An excellent player but I am not sure whether he is a champion.
We paid a champion price. |
I actually said the same thing to a mate when we were after Buckley when he was in the SANFL.
He was billed then as a centre/half forward and at first i thought he was a highly billed CHF. When I realised he was a midfielder I spat the dummy. I recall saying that we need another fkn midfielder like an ash tray on a motor cycle.
He turned out OK. |
But you have the advantage of hindsight with bucks.
I think Thommsoc is within his right to cast a watchful eye over Treloar.
No doubt he is "tracking right" but we did pay top dollar. We paid more than Geelong did for danger. I know we had to, we had no choice where as Geelong had all the leverage in their trade.
Trades aside and in the wash .....they paid less for an established absolute gun. We paid more for a guy who looks like he will be an absolute gun.
But being one and looking like you likely will be one are two different things.
I think we are all quietly confident, but he needs that extra little something to be in the same class. That might come simply through age, experience, a full pre season etc etc.... Point is he isn't there yet. And until he absolutely is. Some level of skeptisism is ok in my books.
Although he is averaging over a goal a game? I'd like to see him start slotting a few more on the run. He certainly gets himself into the right position to do so each week. If he can become an even more damaging finisher....that might just be enough on its own. |
Comparing Numbers at the Same Age and Treloar is way ahead of where Danger was
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=5&playerStatus2=A&tid2=10&type=A&pid1=3791&pid2=2310&fid1=O&fid2=O
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jackcass
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | September Zeros wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | Not completely sold on Treloar.
wish he was 190cm and not 182cm
An excellent player but I am not sure whether he is a champion.
We paid a champion price. |
I actually said the same thing to a mate when we were after Buckley when he was in the SANFL.
He was billed then as a centre/half forward and at first i thought he was a highly billed CHF. When I realised he was a midfielder I spat the dummy. I recall saying that we need another fkn midfielder like an ash tray on a motor cycle.
He turned out OK. |
But you have the advantage of hindsight with bucks.
I think Thommsoc is within his right to cast a watchful eye over Treloar.
No doubt he is "tracking right" but we did pay top dollar. We paid more than Geelong did for danger. I know we had to, we had no choice where as Geelong had all the leverage in their trade.
Trades aside and in the wash .....they paid less for an established absolute gun. We paid more for a guy who looks like he will be an absolute gun.
But being one and looking like you likely will be one are two different things.
I think we are all quietly confident, but he needs that extra little something to be in the same class. That might come simply through age, experience, a full pre season etc etc.... Point is he isn't there yet. And until he absolutely is. Some level of skeptisism is ok in my books.
Although he is averaging over a goal a game? I'd like to see him start slotting a few more on the run. He certainly gets himself into the right position to do so each week. If he can become an even more damaging finisher....that might just be enough on its own. |
Comparing Numbers at the Same Age and Treloar is way ahead of where Danger was
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=5&playerStatus2=A&tid2=10&type=A&pid1=3791&pid2=2310&fid1=O&fid2=O |
Agree Dave, the figures look good. If I remember correctly only Judd and Harvey compare with Treloar at the same age and we know how good they turned out. But even given that I was apprehensive about whether we should trade for him because we just don't know if he'll reach those heights. We paid on elite youthful potential, cats paid for proven product even if they'll have his services for less time. |
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| September Zeros wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | Not completely sold on Treloar.
wish he was 190cm and not 182cm
An excellent player but I am not sure whether he is a champion.
We paid a champion price. |
I actually said the same thing to a mate when we were after Buckley when he was in the SANFL.
He was billed then as a centre/half forward and at first i thought he was a highly billed CHF. When I realised he was a midfielder I spat the dummy. I recall saying that we need another fkn midfielder like an ash tray on a motor cycle.
He turned out OK. |
But you have the advantage of hindsight with bucks.
I think Thommsoc is within his right to cast a watchful eye over Treloar.
No doubt he is "tracking right" but we did pay top dollar. We paid more than Geelong did for danger. I know we had to, we had no choice where as Geelong had all the leverage in their trade.
Trades aside and in the wash .....they paid less for an established absolute gun. We paid more for a guy who looks like he will be an absolute gun.
But being one and looking like you likely will be one are two different things.
I think we are all quietly confident, but he needs that extra little something to be in the same class. That might come simply through age, experience, a full pre season etc etc.... Point is he isn't there yet. And until he absolutely is. Some level of skeptisism is ok in my books.
Although he is averaging over a goal a game? I'd like to see him start slotting a few more on the run. He certainly gets himself into the right position to do so each week. If he can become an even more damaging finisher....that might just be enough on its own. |
It's fine to be cautious in your assessment of the deal, but if you don't make a call at the time it happens I don't think you have much of a basis for rubbishing the club if it eventually doesn't work out. Easy to be smart in hindsight.
For mine there's no doubt that trading for Treloar was the right thing to do. We badly needed another elite player on our list. Treloar is that, or at least very close to becoming one. The two top 10 draft picks we could have had instead are unknowns. The chances of them both being elite is very low, the chances of even one being so is also quite low (pick 7 and pick <probably similar> aren't that great). Even if they eventually reached that standard it would take 4-6 years, that's simply time we don't have. We went heavily into the draft in the last few years and simply did not need any more teenagers on our list.
Looking at the deal: Treloar was a top 10 pick himself (probably top 3-5) and having been in the system for a few years and proven himself worthy of that selection, he is definitely worth more than a top 5 pick now (always doubt over picks and they will always have less value than an established player). We gave up two first round picks and also received a second round pick in return, so we paid a little less than two top 10 picks. The value of the second first rounder we gave up was also reduced, due to uncertainty: where would we finish in 2016?
I don't think there's any way we can be seen to have paid well over value for Treloar. Any argument would be around the edges and given the points above about the state of our list and the certainty of an established player over unknown rookies that will take years to reach their peak, I think it's clear that the right choice was made. If we'd passed up on such a deal there would rightly have been an outcry.
The other thing to consider in terms of our list build is that we also picked up Aish in the same draft period. Another top 10 pick to replace the extra one we potentially gave up for Treloar (depends where we finish). Whether we supporters rate him as a top 10 pick or not (his trade value was a little less than that) it is where he was taken and there's no guarantee any potential draftee would have been better, again they'd also take a few more years to reach their best.
tl;dr? One in the hand is worth two in the bush. In trading for Treloar we got one established, very good, almost elite player, and gave up the rights to a little less than two unknowns with potential who at best could reach his standard in 4-5 years time.
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Dave The Man
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| Quote: | | Looking at the deal: Treloar was a top 10 pick himself (probably top 3-5) and having been in the system for a few years and proven himself worthy of that selection, he is definitely worth more than a top 5 pick now (always doubt over picks and they will always have less value than an established player). We gave up two first round picks and also received a second round pick in return, so we paid a little less than two top 10 picks. The value of the second first rounder we gave up was also reduced, due to uncertainty: where would we finish in 2016? |
Treloar was never Drafted. He went to GWS as a 17 Year Old
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Bob Sugar
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Things are looking much better now regarding the trade, I've never doubted his ability but giving up two top 6 picks for him would've been massive overs, hopefully now this years pick is in the teens, which would make the deal about right IMO.
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