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Mugwump
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| David wrote: | If anyone's wondering why Malthouse is still bitter about the handover, let's keep in mind that he was effectively sacked that day in 2009. His departure was merely delayed for two seasons. This wasn't a performance-based ultimatum or anything; he was given a time and date. His choice, effectively, was 'leave now' or 'leave in two years and take this highly speculative redundancy package (i.e. the three years as 'director of coaching').
Fair enough, right? Coaches get sacked all the time! But Malthouse thought he was taking the team in the right direction, and history proved him correct. At that point, winning premierships in 2010 and 2011 should have been considered the best case scenario by all and sundry; but, as it was, it would have been something of a disaster for the administration as it would have made a mockery of the arrangement they'd made. In a way, they were lucky we lost the 2011 grand final as it made Malthouse's departure seem more defensible.
Anyway, the past is the past, and Malthouse's performance at Carlton perhaps suggests that he left at the right time. Bitterness isn't an attractive quality in anyone, and he'd probably be doing himself a favour if he got over it (and the same goes for his critics on here). But let's not rewrite history and pretend that he has no reason to feel screwed over or that the handover was something he freely signed up to. For me, he's like any player who pulls on a black and white jumper for twelve years – he was a servant of the club for many years, and a quality one at that. Maybe a bit of respect wouldn't go astray. |
I supported Malthouse every day when he was our coach, and defended him again the sackers through thick and thin. But ultimately, I think Mick is all about Mick, and his "mini-dynasty" comment shows that starkly.
He does not have the wisdom or maturity to look back at a fine career with Collingwood and project at least some real love for the club that paid him handsomely for ten years and brought him his greatest success. Oh well. Any review of his public career and behaviour would conclude that he is/was a great coach, and (at least from the outside) a bitter, defensive, rancourous man.
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| Jezza wrote: | | David wrote: | If anyone's wondering why Malthouse is still bitter about the handover, let's keep in mind that he was effectively sacked that day in 2009. His departure was merely delayed for two seasons. This wasn't a performance-based ultimatum or anything; he was given a time and date. His choice, effectively, was 'leave now' or 'leave in two years and take this highly speculative redundancy package (i.e. the three years as 'director of coaching').
Fair enough, right? Coaches get sacked all the time! But Malthouse thought he was taking the team in the right direction, and history proved him correct. At that point, winning premierships in 2010 and 2011 should have been considered the best case scenario by all and sundry; but, as it was, it would have been something of a disaster for the administration as it would have made a mockery of the arrangement they'd made. In a way, they were lucky we lost the 2011 grand final as it made Malthouse's departure seem more defensible.
Anyway, the past is the past, and Malthouse's performance at Carlton perhaps suggests that he left at the right time. Bitterness isn't an attractive quality in anyone, and he'd probably be doing himself a favour if he got over it (and the same goes for his critics on here). But let's not rewrite history and pretend that he has no reason to feel screwed over or that the handover was something he freely signed up to. For me, he's like any player who pulls on a black and white jumper for twelve years – he was a servant of the club for many years, and a quality one at that. Maybe a bit of respect wouldn't go astray. |
Sensible post David.
However, you have to remember that Mick was lucky he didn't get sacked earlier in his Collingwood coaching career. Apparently at the end of 2005, the board were on the verge of sacking him, but Eddie of all people defended him and begged the board to keep him on as coach and allow him to rebuild the team after poor years in 2004 and 2005.
Malthouse was under no obligation to sign the contract and sacking him in the week of round 17 or round 18 2009 when the coaching handover announcement was made would have been embarrassing considering we were in red-hot form after a poor start to the year where some calls for him to be sacked were made by some supporters.
I never advocated him to be sacked at in 2009 due to his solid coaching career with us, but I certainly pondered over the fact that he was nearly at the club for ten years but hadn't delivered the ultimate success that we had been craving for 20 years and supporters were becoming a little impatient and questioned whether he would be the man to lead us to glory despite his solid and consistent record of sustained success in the finals.
I'm also adamant that we wouldn't have won the flag in 2010 and been a major contender in 2011 if it wasn't for that coaching handover announcement in 2009. It finally forced Mick to seek out the trade market and be proactive in our quest to winning the flag rather than being reactive and cautious which I sensed in the years before that. In the summer of 2009/2010, we recruited Luke Ball and Darren Jolly and the rest as they say is history as we won the flag in 2010 and blitzed the competition in sensational style.
Although at the same time, I do feel that the doubt that was being casted over Mick's future at the latter stage of the 2011 season proved to be a major disruption in our quest to go back-to-back and ultimately it was one of the many reasons why we couldn't produce the goods again along with the obvious factors of injuries and fatigue that started to set in during late August and September when we need to peak.
I wasn't bothered by the fact that Mick walked away at the end of 2011 and didn't stay on in his new role as "director of coach" but his vindictive conduct throughout the latter stages of 2011 and which continually grew after his departure will always leave a bitter taste in my mouth. I always suspected he joined Carlton because he wanted to prove Eddie and the board wrong and wanted 'revenge' so to speak, but of course it handsomely backfired as Carlton were declining and Mick's tactics were beginning to become outdated.
I don't disregard Mick's record with us, because he was outstanding for the most part. When he first arrived, we were a basket case in need of a serious rebuild and Mick was able to restore massive respectability to the club and make it a force again with a lot help behind the scenes as well.
Mick's ultimate self-destruction at Carlton made me believe we dodged a bullet with him after 2011. I think things would have been disastrous behind the scenes had he remained at the club in Nathan's shadow and ultimately a massive fracture within the playing group would have perpetuated itself very quickly with him there. That's not to say that Bucks hasn't had his own issues with some players; and whether he's the right man for the job in the long-term with a young list now remains to be seen but I want him to desperately succeed but I remain skeptical of his coaching prospects at the moment.
I truly believe Eddie wanted things to work with Malthouse and Bucks but in the end it didn't transpire the way he'd envisaged and in the process Malthouse became an isolated and angry figure in a messy episode. The Malthouse/McGuire combination worked well for a decade so it was sad how it ended, but we need to move on from it now and focus on the future, but in the end Mick isn't going to coach and any regrets we have about the past won't shape what we produce in the near future. |
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| David wrote: | If anyone's wondering why Malthouse is still bitter about the handover, let's keep in mind that he was effectively sacked that day in 2009. His departure was merely delayed for two seasons. This wasn't a performance-based ultimatum or anything; he was given a time and date. His choice, effectively, was 'leave now' or 'leave in two years and take this highly speculative redundancy package (i.e. the three years as 'director of coaching').
Fair enough, right? Coaches get sacked all the time! But Malthouse thought he was taking the team in the right direction, and history proved him correct. At that point, winning premierships in 2010 and 2011 should have been considered the best case scenario by all and sundry; but, as it was, it would have been something of a disaster for the administration as it would have made a mockery of the arrangement they'd made. In a way, they were lucky we lost the 2011 grand final as it made Malthouse's departure seem more defensible.
Anyway, the past is the past, and Malthouse's performance at Carlton perhaps suggests that he left at the right time. Bitterness isn't an attractive quality in anyone, and he'd probably be doing himself a favour if he got over it (and the same goes for his critics on here). But let's not rewrite history and pretend that he has no reason to feel screwed over or that the handover was something he freely signed up to. For me, he's like any player who pulls on a black and white jumper for twelve years – he was a servant of the club for many years, and a quality one at that. Maybe a bit of respect wouldn't go astray. |
The vast majority of us are employees of some type. We all have to live with the prospect of losing out employment at some part of our working careers irrespective of our personal success or efforts. That's life and I would suggest that many of us have left employment due to circumstances outside of our control.
Many of us are not given an exit plan or an on going contract worth hundred of thousands of dollars each year just to make the transition easier. Few of us receive the golden tap on the shoulder and are asked to come and work for somebody and receive remuneration approximating $1 million per year for ten years.
At the same time when this occurs we close that chapter of the book, move on and look for the next opportunity. Living with anger, regret and bitterness is not healthy and most of us have the strength of character to simply move on and make the best of what we have.
When considering this, I have noting but contempt for MM behavior. He is a bitter, weak and sick minded individual who feels hard done by and thinks the world owes him living as well as respect.
As a premiership Pies coach he has my respect and appreciation. As a man and an ex-employee of the club his behavior has ensured that I have no respect for him as a man, just contempt.
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| Member 7167 wrote: | The vast majority of us are employees of some type. We all have to live with the prospect of losing out employment at some part of our working careers irrespective of our personal success or efforts. That's life and I would suggest that many of us have left employment due to circumstances outside of our control.
When considering this, I have noting but contempt for MM behavior. He is a bitter, weak and sick minded individual who feels hard done by and thinks the world owes him As a man and an ex-employee of the club his behavior has ensured that I have no respect for him as a man, just contempt. |
Couldn’t have put it better myself. Although I have been employed at my current workplace since 1988, I have no choice but to leave by May 2017 because the job I currently have will be done under the NDIS program and simply cease to exist. I do not get an automatic transfer or a guaranteed position because of my skills or vast experience; I have to apply for any available NDIS position with thousands of others. Tough titties. Such is life sometimes. 
However I don't go around whinging like MM does............... 
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I thought Micks comments were pretty balanced, and he's more entitled than anyone around here to make comments regarding us, so <Snip - TTBN please, the mods>.
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| Quote: | | Rafael Benítez: I couldn’t leave Newcastle after love I could feel from fans. by Louise Taylor, Thursday 26 May 2016 03.58 AEST Guardian on Line |
| Quote: | Ultimately, I think for Raf that the fans are the most important aspect of any club
He's a complex character, but you feel he's a man with principles. If things go well, he could be Newcastle's Ferguson, but sadly I think their ability to f##k things up will win out in the end. from Guardian 26.5.16 |
I think all of us have to look at ourselves. We are not at the terminal stage of Parramatta, Footscray or Newcastle United, but we do have a historical record of stuffing things up. Just be careful. Everybody wants to be Hawthorn or Man U but life ain't like that. |
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| Jezza wrote: | | David wrote: | If anyone's wondering why Malthouse is still bitter about the handover, let's keep in mind that he was effectively sacked that day in 2009. His departure was merely delayed for two seasons. This wasn't a performance-based ultimatum or anything; he was given a time and date. His choice, effectively, was 'leave now' or 'leave in two years and take this highly speculative redundancy package (i.e. the three years as 'director of coaching').
Fair enough, right? Coaches get sacked all the time! But Malthouse thought he was taking the team in the right direction, and history proved him correct. At that point, winning premierships in 2010 and 2011 should have been considered the best case scenario by all and sundry; but, as it was, it would have been something of a disaster for the administration as it would have made a mockery of the arrangement they'd made. In a way, they were lucky we lost the 2011 grand final as it made Malthouse's departure seem more defensible.
Anyway, the past is the past, and Malthouse's performance at Carlton perhaps suggests that he left at the right time. Bitterness isn't an attractive quality in anyone, and he'd probably be doing himself a favour if he got over it (and the same goes for his critics on here). But let's not rewrite history and pretend that he has no reason to feel screwed over or that the handover was something he freely signed up to. For me, he's like any player who pulls on a black and white jumper for twelve years – he was a servant of the club for many years, and a quality one at that. Maybe a bit of respect wouldn't go astray. |
Sensible post David.
However, you have to remember that Mick was lucky he didn't get sacked earlier in his Collingwood coaching career. Apparently at the end of 2005, the board were on the verge of sacking him, but Eddie of all people defended him and begged the board to keep him on as coach and allow him to rebuild the team after poor years in 2004 and 2005.
Malthouse was under no obligation to sign the contract and sacking him in the week of round 17 or round 18 2009 when the coaching handover announcement was made would have been embarrassing considering we were in red-hot form after a poor start to the year where some calls for him to be sacked were made by some supporters.
I never advocated him to be sacked at in 2009 due to his solid coaching career with us, but I certainly pondered over the fact that he was nearly at the club for ten years but hadn't delivered the ultimate success that we had been craving for 20 years and supporters were becoming a little impatient and questioned whether he would be the man to lead us to glory despite his solid and consistent record of sustained success in the finals.
I'm also adamant that we wouldn't have won the flag in 2010 and been a major contender in 2011 if it wasn't for that coaching handover announcement in 2009. It finally forced Mick to seek out the trade market and be proactive in our quest to winning the flag rather than being reactive and cautious which I sensed in the years before that. In the summer of 2009/2010, we recruited Luke Ball and Darren Jolly and the rest as they say is history as we won the flag in 2010 and blitzed the competition in sensational style.
Although at the same time, I do feel that the doubt that was being casted over Mick's future at the latter stage of the 2011 season proved to be a major disruption in our quest to go back-to-back and ultimately it was one of the many reasons why we couldn't produce the goods again along with the obvious factors of injuries and fatigue that started to set in during late August and September when we need to peak.
I wasn't bothered by the fact that Mick walked away at the end of 2011 and didn't stay on in his new role as "director of coach" but his vindictive conduct throughout the latter stages of 2011 and which continually grew after his departure will always leave a bitter taste in my mouth. I always suspected he joined Carlton because he wanted to prove Eddie and the board wrong and wanted 'revenge' so to speak, but of course it handsomely backfired as Carlton were declining and Mick's tactics were beginning to become outdated.
I don't disregard Mick's record with us, because he was outstanding for the most part. When he first arrived, we were a basket case in need of a serious rebuild and Mick was able to restore massive respectability to the club and make it a force again with a lot help behind the scenes as well.
Mick's ultimate self-destruction at Carlton made me believe we dodged a bullet with him after 2011. I think things would have been disastrous behind the scenes had he remained at the club in Nathan's shadow and ultimately a massive fracture within the playing group would have perpetuated itself very quickly with him there. That's not to say that Bucks hasn't had his own issues with some players; and whether he's the right man for the job in the long-term with a young list now remains to be seen but I want him to desperately succeed but I remain skeptical of his coaching prospects at the moment.
I truly believe Eddie wanted things to work with Malthouse and Bucks but in the end it didn't transpire the way he'd envisaged and in the process Malthouse became an isolated and angry figure in a messy episode. The Malthouse/McGuire combination worked well for a decade so it was sad how it ended, but we need to move on from it now and focus on the future, but in the end Mick isn't going to coach and any regrets we have about the past won't shape what we produce in the near future. |
Malthouse wasn't lucky that he wasn't sacked before 2010; we were lucky that we didn't sack him. I think history proves that point.
As for the old story that the handover won us a flag, I've always thought it was pretty doubtful to be honest. It's a great narrative but ignores the fact that nearly every coach (at least, if they're in charge of a team that is anywhere near finals contention) wants to win the flag every year. We finished top four in 2009, so by any objective analysis our premiership clock was at 11. Given our ruck problems, and given Luke Ball's fortuitous falling out with St. Kilda, why wouldn't we have taken those two players? I'm sorry, but it just doesn't seem credible.
(And as for the other popular claim that it was all the work of the forward coach... look, I have a lot of respect for Buckley, but let's just say I haven't been hearing that one much of late.)
There's no doubt that McGuire thought the handover was a masterstroke – and it certainly was an adept move as these things go – but it wasn't quite adept enough, and I think his failure was that he and the rest of the administration were listening too hard to impatient fans and journalists and just panicked.
Did we really need the benefit of hindsight to see that all that stuff about Malthouse failing and Buckley being the messiah was naive? I feel like I'm in a position to say this now because I was arguing that precise point back then, too. I still believe Buckley is a good coach, and sure it would have been a little disappointing to see him go to another club, but that was a chance we had to take. The responsible thing to do would have been to remain patient, let Malthouse leave when the time was right and then anoint the best available replacement (which might have been Buckley, might not have been).
As for Malthouse's personality, is it a little too glib to say I don't care how much of a nice guy he is or what he says on commercial radio? He succeeded in the role he had at the club and that's what matters.
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| I'm glad he's gone. He wasn't Jock, Norm Smith, Barassi, Matthews or Clarkson and I couldn't actually care less about anything he says or does. He was better for Collingwood than the previous Richmond back-pocket we employed in the role but that's not saying much. |
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| He was a good coach for us but regardless of the circumstances, his sniping and deliberate undermining of Bucks after the handover, which he had signed on to, was, and continues to be, pathetic. Sadly, he has besmirched his own place in our history and shown himself to be self-centered, bitter and twisted. He made it like that. No else did. |
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | He was a good coach for us but regardless of the circumstances, his sniping and deliberate undermining of Bucks after the handover, which he had signed on to, was, and continues to be, pathetic. Sadly, he has besmirched his own place in our history and shown himself to be self-centered, bitter and twisted. He made it like that. No else did. |
Couldn't have put it any better myself RB. Exactly right.
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| Bob Sugar wrote: | | I thought Micks comments were pretty balanced, and he's more entitled than anyone around here to make comments regarding us, so <Snip - TTBN please, the mods>. |
Whey has he a right to comment. He is an ex-employee of the Collingwood Football Club. He currently has no association with the club at all. He is a bitter and twisted individual who has had an illustrious coaching career.
I would suggest that current Collingwood Members have a much greater right and vested interest than a past employee.
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| David wrote: | | Malthouse wasn't lucky that he wasn't sacked before 2010; we were lucky that we didn't sack him. I think history proves that point. |
This has all been done to death and generally based on perceptions and whichever hypothetical you consider most likely but I think MM changed tack once the succession plan was in play. I think that's why we went out and secured Ball and Jolly which ultimately shaped our fate. Would that have happened without the succession plan, I don't know. |
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| David wrote: | If anyone's wondering why Malthouse is still bitter about the handover, let's keep in mind that he was effectively sacked that day in 2009. His departure was merely delayed for two seasons. This wasn't a performance-based ultimatum or anything; he was given a time and date. His choice, effectively, was 'leave now' or 'leave in two years and take this highly speculative redundancy package (i.e. the three years as 'director of coaching').
Fair enough, right? Coaches get sacked all the time! But Malthouse thought he was taking the team in the right direction, and history proved him correct. At that point, winning premierships in 2010 and 2011 should have been considered the best case scenario by all and sundry; but, as it was, it would have been something of a disaster for the administration as it would have made a mockery of the arrangement they'd made. In a way, they were lucky we lost the 2011 grand final as it made Malthouse's departure seem more defensible.
Anyway, the past is the past, and Malthouse's performance at Carlton perhaps suggests that he left at the right time. Bitterness isn't an attractive quality in anyone, and he'd probably be doing himself a favour if he got over it (and the same goes for his critics on here). But let's not rewrite history and pretend that he has no reason to feel screwed over or that the handover was something he freely signed up to. For me, he's like any player who pulls on a black and white jumper for twelve years – he was a servant of the club for many years, and a quality one at that. Maybe a bit of respect wouldn't go astray. |
I often wonder if the club may have better served dangling the carrot of an extension in front of Malthouse during 2011, even if there was no real intention to give it to him. But, as you say, they would have looked pretty bad if he won back to backs.
Looking back, it really was a strange situation....pretty much unheard of
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| David wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | | David wrote: | If anyone's wondering why Malthouse is still bitter about the handover, let's keep in mind that he was effectively sacked that day in 2009. His departure was merely delayed for two seasons. This wasn't a performance-based ultimatum or anything; he was given a time and date. His choice, effectively, was 'leave now' or 'leave in two years and take this highly speculative redundancy package (i.e. the three years as 'director of coaching').
Fair enough, right? Coaches get sacked all the time! But Malthouse thought he was taking the team in the right direction, and history proved him correct. At that point, winning premierships in 2010 and 2011 should have been considered the best case scenario by all and sundry; but, as it was, it would have been something of a disaster for the administration as it would have made a mockery of the arrangement they'd made. In a way, they were lucky we lost the 2011 grand final as it made Malthouse's departure seem more defensible.
Anyway, the past is the past, and Malthouse's performance at Carlton perhaps suggests that he left at the right time. Bitterness isn't an attractive quality in anyone, and he'd probably be doing himself a favour if he got over it (and the same goes for his critics on here). But let's not rewrite history and pretend that he has no reason to feel screwed over or that the handover was something he freely signed up to. For me, he's like any player who pulls on a black and white jumper for twelve years – he was a servant of the club for many years, and a quality one at that. Maybe a bit of respect wouldn't go astray. |
Sensible post David.
However, you have to remember that Mick was lucky he didn't get sacked earlier in his Collingwood coaching career. Apparently at the end of 2005, the board were on the verge of sacking him, but Eddie of all people defended him and begged the board to keep him on as coach and allow him to rebuild the team after poor years in 2004 and 2005.
Malthouse was under no obligation to sign the contract and sacking him in the week of round 17 or round 18 2009 when the coaching handover announcement was made would have been embarrassing considering we were in red-hot form after a poor start to the year where some calls for him to be sacked were made by some supporters.
I never advocated him to be sacked at in 2009 due to his solid coaching career with us, but I certainly pondered over the fact that he was nearly at the club for ten years but hadn't delivered the ultimate success that we had been craving for 20 years and supporters were becoming a little impatient and questioned whether he would be the man to lead us to glory despite his solid and consistent record of sustained success in the finals.
I'm also adamant that we wouldn't have won the flag in 2010 and been a major contender in 2011 if it wasn't for that coaching handover announcement in 2009. It finally forced Mick to seek out the trade market and be proactive in our quest to winning the flag rather than being reactive and cautious which I sensed in the years before that. In the summer of 2009/2010, we recruited Luke Ball and Darren Jolly and the rest as they say is history as we won the flag in 2010 and blitzed the competition in sensational style.
Although at the same time, I do feel that the doubt that was being casted over Mick's future at the latter stage of the 2011 season proved to be a major disruption in our quest to go back-to-back and ultimately it was one of the many reasons why we couldn't produce the goods again along with the obvious factors of injuries and fatigue that started to set in during late August and September when we need to peak.
I wasn't bothered by the fact that Mick walked away at the end of 2011 and didn't stay on in his new role as "director of coach" but his vindictive conduct throughout the latter stages of 2011 and which continually grew after his departure will always leave a bitter taste in my mouth. I always suspected he joined Carlton because he wanted to prove Eddie and the board wrong and wanted 'revenge' so to speak, but of course it handsomely backfired as Carlton were declining and Mick's tactics were beginning to become outdated.
I don't disregard Mick's record with us, because he was outstanding for the most part. When he first arrived, we were a basket case in need of a serious rebuild and Mick was able to restore massive respectability to the club and make it a force again with a lot help behind the scenes as well.
Mick's ultimate self-destruction at Carlton made me believe we dodged a bullet with him after 2011. I think things would have been disastrous behind the scenes had he remained at the club in Nathan's shadow and ultimately a massive fracture within the playing group would have perpetuated itself very quickly with him there. That's not to say that Bucks hasn't had his own issues with some players; and whether he's the right man for the job in the long-term with a young list now remains to be seen but I want him to desperately succeed but I remain skeptical of his coaching prospects at the moment.
I truly believe Eddie wanted things to work with Malthouse and Bucks but in the end it didn't transpire the way he'd envisaged and in the process Malthouse became an isolated and angry figure in a messy episode. The Malthouse/McGuire combination worked well for a decade so it was sad how it ended, but we need to move on from it now and focus on the future, but in the end Mick isn't going to coach and any regrets we have about the past won't shape what we produce in the near future. |
Malthouse wasn't lucky that he wasn't sacked before 2010; we were lucky that we didn't sack him. I think history proves that point.
As for the old story that the handover won us a flag, I've always thought it was pretty doubtful to be honest. It's a great narrative but ignores the fact that nearly every coach (at least, if they're in charge of a team that is anywhere near finals contention) wants to win the flag every year. We finished top four in 2009, so by any objective analysis our premiership clock was at 11. Given our ruck problems, and given Luke Ball's fortuitous falling out with St. Kilda, why wouldn't we have taken those two players? I'm sorry, but it just doesn't seem credible.
(And as for the other popular claim that it was all the work of the forward coach... look, I have a lot of respect for Buckley, but let's just say I haven't been hearing that one much of late.)
There's no doubt that McGuire thought the handover was a masterstroke – and it certainly was an adept move as these things go – but it wasn't quite adept enough, and I think his failure was that he and the rest of the administration were listening too hard to impatient fans and journalists and just panicked.
Did we really need the benefit of hindsight to see that all that stuff about Malthouse failing and Buckley being the messiah was naive? I feel like I'm in a position to say this now because I was arguing that precise point back then, too. I still believe Buckley is a good coach, and sure it would have been a little disappointing to see him go to another club, but that was a chance we had to take. The responsible thing to do would have been to remain patient, let Malthouse leave when the time was right and then anoint the best available replacement (which might have been Buckley, might not have been).
As for Malthouse's personality, is it a little too glib to say I don't care how much of a nice guy he is or what he says on commercial radio? He succeeded in the role he had at the club and that's what matters. |
Truer words were never spoken.
Still, I to, was pro-handover; we just didn't look likely at the start of 09...
Makes you think
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