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Thing I like about the osteo I see, they fix you up and then show you what to do to recover at home. I've seen a couple of physios that seem to want you to pay for their next vacation! If I really need a physio, or one of my kids do, I take them to a proper sports physio, used to go over to Alphington to see my sisters physio from when she was on the Olympic team, they are fantastic, but I've found the physio at OPSMC to be just as good. Lot closer too! Try and get an appointment near Collingwood training times!
Dave if you like your chiropractor that's great. I guess like any profession, there is good and bad ones. I personally would not go back to any Chiro, I just hate the crunching! If you have a chronic problem (since you see one regularly) why not mix it up and try an Osteopath? Always good to get a second opinion. Might save some money with less regular treatment.
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | Doing that to a baby IMO is dangerous and fkn stupid.
I prefer an osteopath to a physiotherapist, but Chiropractors I don't have a lot of time for. I got made to go to one when I fkd my knee as a 15 year old. Bastard hurt worse than the injury and did no good. |
Did you watch the Video?
He did a great job fixing the Poor Kids Cholic |
Thing is with colic, it's usually just a bit of wind stuck in a kink somewhere (a burp!). No one can diagnose chronic colic in a baby that young, so the old rub the back til the burp comes up should be sufficient.
I agree with what others have said, no way would I let anyone manipulate a new born baby. Their ligaments and joints are still forming and hardening,you could easily cripple them for life. Usually colic is easily fixed, it's a normal part of a babies life. Some babies are more suspetible than others. And yes some do have chronic colic, but that baby is too young to diagnose it as such.
https://www.babydoc.com.au/faq/colic-bore-your-baby-to-sleep/
I was lucky, my babies were really good, they hardly ever cried. For any reason. (Yep I was a clingy mum, I held them 'too much' apparently! No regrets!
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Chiros are quacks. About 15 years ago I had a sore back and went to a Chiro, his treatment consisted of clicking a pen like device along my spine which did nothing.
But nothing beats this guys dodginess (which is why Essendon football club probably used him):
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/chiropractors-oxygen-treatment-created-false-hope-from-hot-air-20111024-1mgd8.html
Chiropractor's oxygen treatment created false hope from hot air
Date October 25, 2011 Kate Hagan
A CHIROPRACTOR who provided hundreds of hours of hyperbaric oxygen treatment to a man with cerebral palsy took advantage of a vulnerable patient for his own financial benefit, a tribunal has heard.
Dr Malcolm Hooper, 51, has admitted making false representations about his ability to treat cerebral palsy with oxygen in providing 231 hours of the treatment to patient 'Mr T', a disability pensioner who incurred debts of more than $44,000.
Mr T also received 66 hours of treatment on a treadmill-like device that purportedly helps the body relearn how to walk.
The patient initially believed that he was benefiting from the treatment but later told authorities he had seen no lasting improvement and felt betrayed by Hooper.
He paid Hooper thousands of dollars, including the proceeds of fund-raising, for treatment at his Collins Street clinic from September 2007 to May 2008.
A three-member panel sitting at the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal yesterday heard that Hooper also claimed the oxygen treatment could improve epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's disease, infertility and AIDS. |
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| stui magpie wrote: | Doing that to a baby IMO is dangerous and fkn stupid.
I prefer an osteopath to a physiotherapist, but Chiropractors I don't have a lot of time for. I got made to go to one when I fkd my knee as a 15 year old. Bastard hurt worse than the injury and did no good. |
Yes but your arm was a whole lot better 
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| think positive wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | Doing that to a baby IMO is dangerous and fkn stupid.
I prefer an osteopath to a physiotherapist, but Chiropractors I don't have a lot of time for. I got made to go to one when I fkd my knee as a 15 year old. Bastard hurt worse than the injury and did no good. |
Did you watch the Video?
He did a great job fixing the Poor Kids Cholic |
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I was lucky, my babies were really good, they hardly ever cried. For any reason. ...... |
Chloroform works really well on babies, I've used your advise too
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gees google "are chiropractors quacks!" interesting!
i liked this article, and the comments
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-end-of-chiropractic/
like i said, i went once, freaked me out, i dont like the crunching, and anyone that ever squashed a disc in their spine, well, i just can imagine subjecting myself to that kind of manipulation!
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I listened to this last week or so on Radio National's "Background Briefing" programme:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/2016-04-24/7346284
Having said that I've had wonderful back relief without drugs from an osteopath after digging up & transporting (on a far too low wheelbarrow) a clothes line with the concrete slab attached the base back in the late 1980's. He was quite old & was a former osteopath the the Royal New Zealand ballet.
His advice at that time (late 1980's) assisted me a lot in Judo & Jui Jitsu that I was doing then!
He said don't dig up and use a wheelbarrow to transport a washing line with a concrete slab...
My wife was referred to an osteopath for her hip recently. The GP trusts this guy & he was great. Useful information & he works with all manner of doctors & surgeons.
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| watt price tully wrote: |
I listened to this last week or so on Radio National's "Background Briefing" programme:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/2016-04-24/7346284
Having said that I've had wonderful back relief without drugs from an osteopath after digging up & transporting (on a far too low wheelbarrow) a clothes line with the concrete slab attached the base back in the late 1980's. He was quite old & was a former osteopath the the Royal New Zealand ballet.
His advice at that time (late 1980's) assisted me a lot in Judo & Jui Jitsu that I was doing then!
He said don't dig up and use a wheelbarrow to transport a washing line with a concrete slab...
My wife was referred to an osteopath for her hip recently. The GP trusts this guy & he was great. Useful information & he works with all manner of doctors & surgeons. |
yeah im always telling my husband that, but he still makes me do it
bastard
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| think positive wrote: | | Some good stuff in homeopathy, why are you so dismissive of either? Didn't know you had a doctors degree |
If you read up on the 'science' of homeopathy I dare say you will be too. A lot of people have a vague sense that it's a 'harmless' and 'natural' alternative to mainstream medicine, but have no idea what the actual theory is behind it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | David wrote: | | GPs also don't like chiropractic because it's quack science and potentially quite dangerous. |
Going to the Doctor can also be Dangerous.
They don't get everything Correct Diagnosis
How do you know it's Quack Science?
I been to them and it works very well |
DTM, don't be discouraged by using you chiro by comments on here.
If your happy and it works for you, great. It's very hard to find people you trust and that do a good job (in every profession)
Im sure I could trawl the net or huffington post (I don't know what it is but seems to be a source for everything...) to disparage anything of anyone's beliefs or choices.
Seems as its now a competition on here to show who is sharpest tool in the tavern and if your option/choice isn't my cup of tea, I'll shoot you down with a link to prove my point.
As for the baby, if the parents trust their gp and the advice was to seek a chiro for relief that's their personal decision. I'm sure in there haste to help their baby they didn't seek advice for the huff post. |
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| 5150 wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | David wrote: | | GPs also don't like chiropractic because it's quack science and potentially quite dangerous. |
Going to the Doctor can also be Dangerous.
They don't get everything Correct Diagnosis
How do you know it's Quack Science?
I been to them and it works very well |
DTM, don't be discouraged by using you chiro by comments on here.
If your happy and it works for you, great. It's very hard to find people you trust and that do a good job (in every profession)
Im sure I could trawl the net or huffington post (I don't know what it is but seems to be a source for everything...) to disparage anything of anyone's beliefs or choices.
Seems as its now a competition on here to show who is sharpest tool in the tavern and if your option/choice isn't my cup of tea, I'll shoot you down with a link to prove my point.
As for the baby, if the parents trust their gp and the advice was to seek a chiro for relief that's their personal decision. I'm sure in there haste to help their baby they didn't seek advice for the huff post. |
i totally agree with you, except the baby! if a 4 DAY OLD baby was in that much discomfort from colic, it should be in hospital getting assessed, especially if premature. colic is usually just wind, you have kids you know that. this is just to extreme for general colic
i wont provide a link to prove my point, ill just quote it!!!! 
Babies 'too delicate' for spinal manipulation
AMA Victoria president Dr Tony Bartone said there was no evidence to suggest spinal manipulation was effective at treating colic.
"Having been a GP for almost 30 years, I would say that spinal manipulation on a newborn is the furthest medical answer to helping colic," he told the ABC.
"It is dangerous babies' bodies are too delicate and developing to risk such a process."
RACGP president Dr Frank Jones said the chiropractic procedure was unnecessary.
"There is no scientific evidence to suggest this procedure is required," he told the ABC.
"As a parent and a doctor of 30 years, I was flabbergasted.
"If the chiropractor in question is claiming the baby is improved, I would strongly say the baby was going to get better on its own without any physical intervention."
Dr Jones said the parents of the baby should have seen a GP.
"If the baby is thriving and well, and putting on weight and developmentally normal, then that is a reassurance that there is no serious underlying illness," he said.
Chiropractors are registered health professionals overseen by the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (AHPRA).
Dr Coxon said chiropractic techniques were effective and safe.
"It is important to understand chiropractors are registered health professionals ... they are governed by AHPRA and the Chiropractic Board of Australia, which have standards of care that require chiropractors to meet a minimal standard," he said.
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DTM, don't be discouraged by using you chiro by comments on here.
If your happy and it works for you, great. It's very hard to find people you trust and that do a good job (in every profession)
Im sure I could trawl the net or huffington post (I don't know what it is but seems to be a source for everything...) to disparage anything of anyone's beliefs or choices.
Seems as its now a competition on here to show who is sharpest tool in the tavern and if your option/choice isn't my cup of tea, I'll shoot you down with a link to prove my point.
As for the baby, if the parents trust their gp and the advice was to seek a chiro for relief that's their personal decision. I'm sure in there haste to help their baby they didn't seek advice for the huff post. |
If someone posted in here that they'd become a devout Scientologist and posted a link to an article spruiking for the religion, wouldn't you expect at least some people to argue the point? Alternative medicine should hardly be off-limits for criticism.
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Neither you or I are doctors and don't know if it was just colic and even if it was and that was their GP's advice sometimes there is no time or panic sets in to get a second opinion or...
I'll assume we are the same here and have trusted family GPs who if gave us advice we would take... (Even Sometimes reluctantly) as they are the ones we put our families health and well being in their hands.
Or they could have given the kid a bottle of Coke like they did in Doc Hollywood - that Michael J Fox was not a good quack... |
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| David wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Some good stuff in homeopathy, why are you so dismissive of either? Didn't know you had a doctors degree |
If you read up on the 'science' of homeopathy I dare say you will be too. A lot of people have a vague sense that it's a 'harmless' and 'natural' alternative to mainstream medicine, but have no idea what the actual theory is behind it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy |
when i was about 22 i was sick for months on end, the kind that just knocks you plat for no reason. i saw doctor after doctor, i was "diagnosed" with everything from cold, flu, depression, i had blood tests, antibiotics, you name it. nothing worked, finally a different doc said it may be chronic fatigue, did bloods and the pointers were all there. he sent me to a naturopath. the guy just gave me a basic diet, cut out sugar, white processed foods, rest even if not sleeping, and a basic herbal tonic, nothing expensive or flash. i had my doubts. within three days i felt better than i had in a year, 2 weeks later i was back to my normal self.
i still follow his diet advice all these years later! i will only eat white bread if its something special!! i dont eat white rice, potatoes (although i will occasionally eat my roast potatoes! and the odd chip). i never add sugar to anything.
i would never advocate skipping conventional medicine when it comes to things like cancer, but there is science in eating to keep your body alkaline, and the goodness of things like apple cider vinegar. there is a lot of arguing about whether chemo kills or cures right now. so easy to take advantage of someones vulnerability when they have a life threatening disease. this helps no one. which is why when i was so lethargic last year i sought the help of a conventional doctor with a side in homeopathic, or alternate, medicine
just because you believe in one, doesn't mean the other is total baloney. i have an open mind, as i do with chiropractors. i cant ever imagine going to one, but i wont turn around and call it complete quackery, because i have no idea if it is. and i dont think its helpful to tell some one who finds their services helps them personally that they are seeing a quack! i might suggest (as i did) seeing an osteo or a physio instead. cheers
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