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RudeBoy
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Forget about whether Bucks can coach, it's clear to me that we have too many ordinary players. Unfortunately, one of them is Greenwood who was recruited as an in and under specialist, but apart from being a good tackler, has been a disappointment so far.
Really good sides can afford to have 2-3 average/ordinary players, but our problem is that most weeks we've been playing at least 6. These include:
Brown
Frost
Langdon
Sinclair
Greenwood
Howe
Smith
Hopefully Howe will improve and maybe, just maybe Greenwood too. As for Smith, he can obviously get the ball, but I still view him as an ordinary player. We desperately need Varcoe, Adams, Elliott, Williams and (if he gets his head sorted out, and is played as a forward flanker) Cloke back to make us a good side. |
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watt price tully 
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| RudeBoy wrote: | Forget about whether Bucks can coach, it's clear to me that we have too many ordinary players. Unfortunately, one of them is Greenwood who was recruited as an in and under specialist, but apart from being a good tackler, has been a disappointment so far.
Really good sides can afford to have 2-3 average/ordinary players, but our problem is that most weeks we've been playing at least 6. These include:
Brown
Frost
Langdon
Sinclair
Greenwood
Howe
Smith
Hopefully Howe will improve and maybe, just maybe Greenwood too. As for Smith, he can obviously get the ball, but I still view him as an ordinary player. We desperately need Varcoe, Adams, Elliott, Williams and (if he gets his head sorted out, and is played as a forward flanker) Cloke back to make us a good side. |
Very harsh on Smith, a bit rude I reckon. 2 games & one in a place where the WC's home average winning margin recently is 60 pts.
Too quick IMO to pass that type of judgment.
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| watt price tully wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | Forget about whether Bucks can coach, it's clear to me that we have too many ordinary players. Unfortunately, one of them is Greenwood who was recruited as an in and under specialist, but apart from being a good tackler, has been a disappointment so far.
Really good sides can afford to have 2-3 average/ordinary players, but our problem is that most weeks we've been playing at least 6. These include:
Brown
Frost
Langdon
Sinclair
Greenwood
Howe
Smith
Hopefully Howe will improve and maybe, just maybe Greenwood too. As for Smith, he can obviously get the ball, but I still view him as an ordinary player. We desperately need Varcoe, Adams, Elliott, Williams and (if he gets his head sorted out, and is played as a forward flanker) Cloke back to make us a good side. |
Very harsh on Smith, a bit rude I reckon. 2 games & one in a place where the WC's home average winning margin recently is 60 pts.
Too quick IMO to pass that type of judgment. |
Wow and doesn't he have it in for poor LEVI who I think has been ok and definitely done some good tagging jobs!
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Wokko 
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Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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| RudeBoy wrote: | Forget about whether Bucks can coach, it's clear to me that we have too many ordinary players. Unfortunately, one of them is Greenwood who was recruited as an in and under specialist, but apart from being a good tackler, has been a disappointment so far.
Really good sides can afford to have 2-3 average/ordinary players, but our problem is that most weeks we've been playing at least 6. These include:
Brown
Frost
Langdon
Sinclair
Greenwood
Howe
Smith
Hopefully Howe will improve and maybe, just maybe Greenwood too. As for Smith, he can obviously get the ball, but I still view him as an ordinary player. We desperately need Varcoe, Adams, Elliott, Williams and (if he gets his head sorted out, and is played as a forward flanker) Cloke back to make us a good side. |
Smith's a second gamer, Howe is finding his feet in a new team, Frost hasn't done much wrong, Greenwood is doing his job.
Sinclair is decent enough considering the outs that have him in the team. Brown I'll give you, but it should be Keefe there anyway, we're playing who we have to. |
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Pies4shaw 
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| Will Langdon stop being on these lists when he is captain? |
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John Wren 
"Look after the game. It means so much to so many."
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^ that never protected maxwell. so, unlikely.
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Wokko
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Will Langdon stop being on these lists when he is captain? |
I forgot Langdon, he's doing fine too. Was a standout last year, just needs some others around him. A bit like Maxwell, you don't want Langdon 1 on 1 with a leading forward. |
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BBHS 
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Frost is the best man on man defender we have. Now he is ordinary. Doesn't say much about the others does it.
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Piesnchess
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| Wokko wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | Forget about whether Bucks can coach, it's clear to me that we have too many ordinary players. Unfortunately, one of them is Greenwood who was recruited as an in and under specialist, but apart from being a good tackler, has been a disappointment so far.
Really good sides can afford to have 2-3 average/ordinary players, but our problem is that most weeks we've been playing at least 6. These include:
Brown
Frost
Langdon
Sinclair
Greenwood
Howe
Smith
Hopefully Howe will improve and maybe, just maybe Greenwood too. As for Smith, he can obviously get the ball, but I still view him as an ordinary player. We desperately need Varcoe, Adams, Elliott, Williams and (if he gets his head sorted out, and is played as a forward flanker) Cloke back to make us a good side. |
Smith's a second gamer, Howe is finding his feet in a new team, Frost hasn't done much wrong, Greenwood is doing his job.
Sinclair is decent enough considering the outs that have him in the team. Brown I'll give you, but it should be Keefe there anyway, we're playing who we have to. |
sadly, patience and giving a fair go, is not a virtue amongst some Pies fans.  
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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| 3rd degree wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | Forget about whether Bucks can coach, it's clear to me that we have too many ordinary players. Unfortunately, one of them is Greenwood who was recruited as an in and under specialist, but apart from being a good tackler, has been a disappointment so far.
Really good sides can afford to have 2-3 average/ordinary players, but our problem is that most weeks we've been playing at least 6. These include:
Brown
Frost
Langdon
Sinclair
Greenwood
Howe
Smith
Hopefully Howe will improve and maybe, just maybe Greenwood too. As for Smith, he can obviously get the ball, but I still view him as an ordinary player. We desperately need Varcoe, Adams, Elliott, Williams and (if he gets his head sorted out, and is played as a forward flanker) Cloke back to make us a good side. |
Very harsh on Smith, a bit rude I reckon. 2 games & one in a place where the WC's home average winning margin recently is 60 pts.
Too quick IMO to pass that type of judgment. |
Wow and doesn't he have it in for poor LEVI who I think has been ok and definitely done some good tagging jobs! |
As you say 3rds, Levi has been OK. I'm not saying any of these players are bad, just that they are ordinary/average players. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | 3rd degree wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | Forget about whether Bucks can coach, it's clear to me that we have too many ordinary players. Unfortunately, one of them is Greenwood who was recruited as an in and under specialist, but apart from being a good tackler, has been a disappointment so far.
Really good sides can afford to have 2-3 average/ordinary players, but our problem is that most weeks we've been playing at least 6. These include:
Brown
Frost
Langdon
Sinclair
Greenwood
Howe
Smith
Hopefully Howe will improve and maybe, just maybe Greenwood too. As for Smith, he can obviously get the ball, but I still view him as an ordinary player. We desperately need Varcoe, Adams, Elliott, Williams and (if he gets his head sorted out, and is played as a forward flanker) Cloke back to make us a good side. |
Very harsh on Smith, a bit rude I reckon. 2 games & one in a place where the WC's home average winning margin recently is 60 pts.
Too quick IMO to pass that type of judgment. |
Wow and doesn't he have it in for poor LEVI who I think has been ok and definitely done some good tagging jobs! |
As you say 3rds, Levi has been OK. I'm not saying any of these players are bad, just that they are ordinary/average players. |
In this day and age the further away you get from the 1st round of the draft the further you get from likely elite talent. Yes, you can fluke 1 occasionally like Beams but it is less likely beyond round 1.
Brown, without fully checking, is the only 1st round pick on that list, 2 of them are late picks and 2 are rookie picks. Teams all contain numbers of good ordinary footballers, salary cap and the draft necessitate it.
Don't know that we're any better or worse than other clubs. Well except GWS who currently have 23-24 1st round picks on their list. |
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derkd
Joined: 29 May 2013
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The more games i am seeing the more i am coming to the conclusion the problem is not personal. I actually think we have a very talented list that may need some tweaks and only has a few "hanger on" players.
The more i am seeing the more i think the coaching staff have badly miscalculated the game plan. Our zone is just a sieve that any half decent team just walks through.... it is good enough to slow ordinary teams. But any half decent side is just cutting us apart. It seems to work on fast hand balling to nearest team mate and moving the ball by hand quickly, but too frequently it is coming unstuck. Our zone seems to sit far too high, West Coast and other teams know that if they kick the ball long out of the back line get it over the back of the zone and into space and they can walk into goal almost.
I get the feeling this is a game plan Bucks has been working on for the last few years and this year it has just been superseded.
Now i am not posting a "sack Bucks" post I am just making a point on the game plan. I will say that if it can't be fixed Bucks may be in strife by seasons end. Any half decent coach needs to have a plan B to slow up teams that get a run on, to lose you can accept...to be blown out of the water consistently by 50+ points is when you start to worry. As of yet we have not got within 5 goals of a top eight team.
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BHPIE
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| If ppl think Langdon is going well,....then there is a problem right there |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: Elwood
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| Totally disagree with everything you're saying Rudeboy. All those players are good players who could all be part of our next premiership tilt. None of those you mention though are not without their weaknesses, especially on the kicking side. Take out the Judds, Abletts, Treloars and a few others, every player playing AFL has their own weaknesses which opposition players try to exploit. Greenwood has been one of our better players so far this year and has kept quiet some of the best opposition mids. I would have a different list to you and would include players like Blair, Goldsack, White and Toovey who have had their day. |
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Raw Hammer
Joined: 11 Sep 2008
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Did anyone notice how lax Langdon ran to the errant kick by Cox just prior to him getting injured? If ever there was a moment to show some urgency, this was it...and he merely sauntered towards the pill before getting tangled in a tackle. I'm like, "Move, kid! Jesus!" I honestly think he takes Valium before each game.
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