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thompsoc
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The trouble with this argument was Fraser, Lockyer and O'Bree were not duds to begin with.
And they weren't played for another 5 years when their form dropped off.
And they certainly weren't offered another 2 years contract after this.
7 real and potential years of playing a list clogger and not try someone different is a crime.
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September Zeros
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| thompsoc wrote: | There is a flaw in your argument.
We have moved on players, we have deleted players in the last 4 or so years
that were superior to Blair.
The idea that we have no one better, or we are managing players etc...
is really a silly one.
The guy is not AFL standard full stop.
We could have deleted Blair and drafted a mature aged suburban player
and see what he offered.
We know Blair is a dud, try the next rookie and see what they offer.
But keep him on the list and we know what we get....nothing.
And I will say this again.
Not one other club would be remotely interested in drafting him if he came on the market.
That is is value to them and frankly that is his value to us.
He is stopping another player from having a go. |
The flaw is in your failure to address what I have said and generalise the rest. Let me explain it more simply. I am not talking about previous years or moved on players from previous years or what we do in the future re our list. I am specifically talking about what we had on our list THIS year and who was available to replace Blair THIS year, and I am specifically talking about JDG being managed- no one else.
Weather you like it or not Blair was on our list THIS year and fact is, the loss of Elliot and Swan and the ins and outs of Faz and Moore through injury really hurt our selection options up forward during the season.
We blooded Crocker and Wills and nearly everyone else on our list, Smith, Phillips etc while still playing Blair. Until recently our selection options were very limited. The only silly ideal is one that ignores the need to balance youth with at least some experience. At the very least Blair offered this in amongst a compromised list.
Its not hard to work out why he was played IMO.
Don't worry Thommo.....your whipping boys days are numbered and then you can move your attention to the next scapegoat and bang on about that week after week until we all pass out from boredom.....again.
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September Zeros
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| E wrote: | | September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | So E you said nothing there except he goes in hard in a pack.
reliable shot.....it would be good if he had a few shots. But he averages less than 15 goals per season.
Not much point being a reliable shot when you don't get a shot!
So your whole argument is that he goes in hard in a pack.
My dog goes in hard when there is a pack but my mutt can't play footy just like jarrod.
And yes I forgot to mention the drawn 2010 gf where he got 10 disposals at an effective disposal rate of 50%.
So in 3 gf's he got 22 touches with effective touches of a rate close to 12 touches out of 22 disposals.
Like i said 12 effective touches in 3 yes 3 gf's is up there with the great derek shaw who got none in one gf.
He never lived down that infamous outing.
So, the Hobbit averaged 4 effective disposals per gf.
What a wonderful effort.
But you and your cronies keep mentioning his premiership medal as evidence of his value.
He was a liability then as he is a liability now.
But he plays his role just like you do as an apologist on this board.
So who is this tommy sook? |
Its not a question about Blair's worth, everybody knows his deficiencies as a player.
Its more a question of why you thommsoc, hate on him so dam hard? |
Good question there SZ.
Because it is systematic of the wrong direction the club has taken.
Two weeks ago JDG was dropped for Blair.
If we are going to go the rebuild then lets rebuild.
But no ...instead of getting another game into JDG we put in Blair instead.
Bux likes Blair because he is tough, hard working and always tries to follow instructions.
But a coach has to also value skills, flair and footy smarts.
But no this coach wants Blair because it is this type of character that he values over all else.
Blair has played over 100 games and he should be damn proud of this.
It is not Blair fault that he gets picked every week.
I want to develop other players instead of Blair.
Because to me he is not up to standard.
As if the world is not full of midgets who can play footy.
But we get rid of a KPP in Cloke who you are likely to jag once in
every generation.
It is not about Blair it is about the culture at Collinwood that keeps playing a dud. |
I whole heartedly agree re Cloke.
I also agree re our decision making at the selection table at times. However JDG may well be being managed and I don't think he's a good example.
A better example is why Cloke wasn't selected against the Dogs in place of the kickless Blair from the week before. I over looked this at first but in retrospect it was a mistake but alas in keeping with the flawed two prong attack we seem hell bent on persisting with.
But this is not Blair's fault and its one of the few times this year we have had the selection option. Its been slim pickings on our forward line thanks to long term injuries which has decreased the pool of available players. Had they all been available all year I think you would have seen less of J. Blair.
Thus I disagree strongly the line of thinking that he is gifted games.
It's narrow minded to not see the true reasons for his selection and simply blame it on poor club culture.
Lastly I have said and will continue to say that I agree re Blair's shortcomings as a footballer, what I despise is the hate he cops for doing no more than pulling the boots on and doing his best for our club. |
the main reason the pies got crushed by the tigers is that the three pronged forward line of Cox, Cloke and White made rebounding the ball out of half back the easiest thing in the world. It is a structure doomed to fail. For Blair to be removed there needs to be a better defensive minded forward (i.e., one who can stop the ball from rebounding out of the forward line as fast as it does when Cox, Cloke and white are all in the same forward line). sadly, Crocker hasn't stepped up, and Faz, Elliot, Swan and Broomhead all appear to be a little banged up at the moment. |
I Disagree the structure of a three pronged attack is doomed to fail...just the personal we have available to do it.
Moore, White and an in form Cloke offer a lot more defensive pressure than the inclusion of Cox does. Put Elliot, Faz and Swan at their feet and I think you'd see a pretty potent forward 6. A shade slow perhaps, but still potent. Sadly I don't think this will ever occur now.
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The inclusion of a lighting quick crumbing forward would be ideal. Usual you can get these later in the draft.
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jackcass
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| September Zeros wrote: |
I Disagree the structure of a three pronged attack is doomed to fail...just the personal we have available to do it.
Moore, White and an in form Cloke offer a lot more defensive pressure than the inclusion of Cox does. Put Elliot, Faz and Swan at their feet and I think you'd see a pretty potent forward 6. A shade slow perhaps, but still potent. Sadly I don't think this will ever occur now. |
Cox injuring his shoulder early in the Richmond game certainly didn't enhance the capacity of the Cox-Cloke-White combo but generally I'd agree that Moore-Cloke-White is preferred. That may well change in 2017 with another preseason under the belt of Cox and what happens with Cloke over the off season. |
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RudeBoy
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| BBHS wrote: | | The inclusion of a lighting quick crumbing forward would be ideal. Usual you can get these later in the draft. |
They go by the names of Callum Brown and Josh Daicos. |
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BBHS
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | BBHS wrote: | | The inclusion of a lighting quick crumbing forward would be ideal. Usual you can get these later in the draft. |
They go by the names of Callum Brown and Josh Daicos. |
Haven't seen much of either are they quick? |
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Pies4shaw 
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| We have no idea at all whether they are AFL-standard players, BBHS - we just really, really hope they are. |
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Ev5Magpies 
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In a training run against GC, Blair still can't find the ball. Time is up, no place for him in 2017 or beyond. Delist.
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Stinger
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| Seriously when do we say enough is enough. If Brown is kicking the ball to Blair then he is seriously f-$&kd. The Bloods have a 'No Di$&kheads' policy. We should have a no midgets policy. |
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thompsoc
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He did a few good things.
But if you have a good look at his contributions you would have noticed
1 Many fumbles
2. Missed a number of targets by hand and foot.
3. No goals ...so still 13 goals for the season.
Stamped a dud!
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doriswilgus
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| I didn't even notice him tonight.Considering the ball was in our forward line most of the night that's surely a bad sign.It means he's just not having any impact on games at all. |
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inxs88
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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| thompsoc wrote: | He did a few good things.
But if you have a good look at his contributions you would have noticed
1 Many fumbles
2. Missed a number of targets by hand and foot.
3. No goals ...so still 13 goals for the season.
Stamped a dud! |
I was there. What were the "few good things"??
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Raw Hammer
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Has no idea how to play front and centre. No one does. I'm starting to believe Buckley does not allow front and centre okay because I fail to see his one entire team can go through an entire game week in week out with no one at the feet of forwards.
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thompsoc
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| inxs88 wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | He did a few good things.
But if you have a good look at his contributions you would have noticed
1 Many fumbles
2. Missed a number of targets by hand and foot.
3. No goals ...so still 13 goals for the season.
Stamped a dud! |
I was there. What were the "few good things"?? |
He actually gave a good handball to Treloar.
But it may have been a fluke
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