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| thompsoc wrote: | And E you have only put up that Blair has a premiership medal as the only evidence that he can play.
For the record E... Blair got 9 disposals in 2010 gf and he got 2 kicks and 1 handball in the 2011 gf.
That is a total of 12 disposals across 2 grand finals for an average of 6 disposals per gf.
His Effective disposal rate was 55% in 2010 but amazingly he got 100% ED
in 2011. But then again it was only out of 3 disposals!
What a champion!
Tell me in an intelligent way where Blair is good.
Skills? Goal kicking? where exactly is Blair average or better than average?
Please give me a precise breakdown of his strengths.
This analysis would be very interesting.
Please don't give such light analysis... like he plays his role.
He is a good defensive forward... and all this without going into some specifics.
Looking forward to your detailed response. |
.... and yet, of the two forward pockets on the ground that day (the other a highly decorated player), blair was better performed.
I love people like you Tommy Sock. you are critical of players for not being premiership players (buckley) and then you dismiss the accomplishment of players who have them.
We will never win a flag while Blair ins in the side - AND YET HE WAS AND WE DID!!!!!
Once you hate someone, you stop being impartial in your judgement. this is clearly the case for you.
Blair is getting games because no matter his failings (and he was a rookie selection for a reason), he is one of the most reliable set shots in the team. his hands are a strength and he works into the bottom of packs with ferocity. he NEVER takes a backwards step. He plays a role week in week out that probably hurts his chances to kick goals and get touches (something that i know is of critical importance to you Tommy Sock so that you can cite them later). incidentally, since stats are so important, can you go back through history and tell me how often a forward pocket whose main job is to make up for the defensive inefficiencies of teammates (like cox, white and Cloke) even gets 21 stats (and yet you dismiss it!!!!!!!!
So your argument is that being good enough to play in a premiership team is an important test of a players ability (unless you don't want it to be) AND stats are really of critical importance (unless you don't want it to be). when you are bending reality to suit yourself, its very easy to be right (in your own mind).
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So E you said nothing there except he goes in hard in a pack.
reliable shot.....it would be good if he had a few shots. But he averages less than 15 goals per season.
Not much point being a reliable shot when you don't get a shot!
So your whole argument is that he goes in hard in a pack.
My dog goes in hard when there is a pack but my mutt can't play footy just like jarrod.
And yes I forgot to mention the drawn 2010 gf where he got 10 disposals at an effective disposal rate of 50%.
So in 3 gf's he got 22 touches with effective touches of a rate close to 12 touches out of 22 disposals.
Like i said 12 effective touches in 3 yes 3 gf's is up there with the great derek shaw who got none in one gf.
He never lived down that infamous outing.
So, the Hobbit averaged 4 effective disposals per gf.
What a wonderful effort.
But you and your cronies keep mentioning his premiership medal as evidence of his value.
He was a liability then as he is a liability now.
But he plays his role just like you do as an apologist on this board.
So who is this tommy sook?
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As much as he is a respected member of our last premiership side, Blair is now useless as a senior player. Yes he goes in hard, but that should not guarantee a game these days.
As a small forward, he should be getting MINIMUM 1 goal a game & occasionally 3+; not 0 kick games & no shots on goal.
His time is up unfortunately & offers no use to this side anymore.
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September Zeros
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| thompsoc wrote: | So E you said nothing there except he goes in hard in a pack.
reliable shot.....it would be good if he had a few shots. But he averages less than 15 goals per season.
Not much point being a reliable shot when you don't get a shot!
So your whole argument is that he goes in hard in a pack.
My dog goes in hard when there is a pack but my mutt can't play footy just like jarrod.
And yes I forgot to mention the drawn 2010 gf where he got 10 disposals at an effective disposal rate of 50%.
So in 3 gf's he got 22 touches with effective touches of a rate close to 12 touches out of 22 disposals.
Like i said 12 effective touches in 3 yes 3 gf's is up there with the great derek shaw who got none in one gf.
He never lived down that infamous outing.
So, the Hobbit averaged 4 effective disposals per gf.
What a wonderful effort.
But you and your cronies keep mentioning his premiership medal as evidence of his value.
He was a liability then as he is a liability now.
But he plays his role just like you do as an apologist on this board.
So who is this tommy sook? |
Its not a question about Blair's worth, everybody knows his deficiencies as a player.
Its more a question of why you thommsoc, hate on him so dam hard?
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| September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | So E you said nothing there except he goes in hard in a pack.
reliable shot.....it would be good if he had a few shots. But he averages less than 15 goals per season.
Not much point being a reliable shot when you don't get a shot!
So your whole argument is that he goes in hard in a pack.
My dog goes in hard when there is a pack but my mutt can't play footy just like jarrod.
And yes I forgot to mention the drawn 2010 gf where he got 10 disposals at an effective disposal rate of 50%.
So in 3 gf's he got 22 touches with effective touches of a rate close to 12 touches out of 22 disposals.
Like i said 12 effective touches in 3 yes 3 gf's is up there with the great derek shaw who got none in one gf.
He never lived down that infamous outing.
So, the Hobbit averaged 4 effective disposals per gf.
What a wonderful effort.
But you and your cronies keep mentioning his premiership medal as evidence of his value.
He was a liability then as he is a liability now.
But he plays his role just like you do as an apologist on this board.
So who is this tommy sook? |
Its not a question about Blair's worth, everybody knows his deficiencies as a player.
Its more a question of why you thommsoc, hate on him so dam hard? |
Good question there SZ.
Because it is systematic of the wrong direction the club has taken.
Two weeks ago JDG was dropped for Blair.
If we are going to go the rebuild then lets rebuild.
But no ...instead of getting another game into JDG we put in Blair instead.
Bux likes Blair because he is tough, hard working and always tries to follow instructions.
But a coach has to also value skills, flair and footy smarts.
But no this coach wants Blair because it is this type of character that he values over all else.
Blair has played over 100 games and he should be damn proud of this.
It is not Blair fault that he gets picked every week.
I want to develop other players instead of Blair.
Because to me he is not up to standard.
As if the world is not full of midgets who can play footy.
But we get rid of a KPP in Cloke who you are likely to jag once in
every generation.
It is not about Blair it is about the culture at Collinwood that keeps playing a dud.
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| thompsoc wrote: | | September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | So E you said nothing there except he goes in hard in a pack.
reliable shot.....it would be good if he had a few shots. But he averages less than 15 goals per season.
Not much point being a reliable shot when you don't get a shot!
So your whole argument is that he goes in hard in a pack.
My dog goes in hard when there is a pack but my mutt can't play footy just like jarrod.
And yes I forgot to mention the drawn 2010 gf where he got 10 disposals at an effective disposal rate of 50%.
So in 3 gf's he got 22 touches with effective touches of a rate close to 12 touches out of 22 disposals.
Like i said 12 effective touches in 3 yes 3 gf's is up there with the great derek shaw who got none in one gf.
He never lived down that infamous outing.
So, the Hobbit averaged 4 effective disposals per gf.
What a wonderful effort.
But you and your cronies keep mentioning his premiership medal as evidence of his value.
He was a liability then as he is a liability now.
But he plays his role just like you do as an apologist on this board.
So who is this tommy sook? |
Its not a question about Blair's worth, everybody knows his deficiencies as a player.
Its more a question of why you thommsoc, hate on him so dam hard? |
Good question there SZ.
Because it is systematic of the wrong direction the club has taken.
Two weeks ago JDG was dropped for Blair.
If we are going to go the rebuild then lets rebuild.
But no ...instead of getting another game into JDG we put in Blair instead.
Bux likes Blair because he is tough, hard working and always tries to follow instructions.
But a coach has to also value skills, flair and footy smarts.
But no this coach wants Blair because it is this type of character that he values over all else.
Blair has played over 100 games and he should be damn proud of this.
It is not Blair fault that he gets picked every week.
I want to develop other players instead of Blair.
Because to me he is not up to standard.
As if the world is not full of midgets who can play footy.
But we get rid of a KPP in Cloke who you are likely to jag once in
every generation.
It is not about Blair it is about the culture at Collinwood that keeps playing a dud. |
This.
He's just isn't a good footballer. Was on the way to being one but hasn't got there and never will. |
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| Sammy wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | So E you said nothing there except he goes in hard in a pack.
reliable shot.....it would be good if he had a few shots. But he averages less than 15 goals per season.
Not much point being a reliable shot when you don't get a shot!
So your whole argument is that he goes in hard in a pack.
My dog goes in hard when there is a pack but my mutt can't play footy just like jarrod.
And yes I forgot to mention the drawn 2010 gf where he got 10 disposals at an effective disposal rate of 50%.
So in 3 gf's he got 22 touches with effective touches of a rate close to 12 touches out of 22 disposals.
Like i said 12 effective touches in 3 yes 3 gf's is up there with the great derek shaw who got none in one gf.
He never lived down that infamous outing.
So, the Hobbit averaged 4 effective disposals per gf.
What a wonderful effort.
But you and your cronies keep mentioning his premiership medal as evidence of his value.
He was a liability then as he is a liability now.
But he plays his role just like you do as an apologist on this board.
So who is this tommy sook? |
Its not a question about Blair's worth, everybody knows his deficiencies as a player.
Its more a question of why you thommsoc, hate on him so dam hard? |
Good question there SZ.
Because it is systematic of the wrong direction the club has taken.
Two weeks ago JDG was dropped for Blair.
If we are going to go the rebuild then lets rebuild.
But no ...instead of getting another game into JDG we put in Blair instead.
Bux likes Blair because he is tough, hard working and always tries to follow instructions.
But a coach has to also value skills, flair and footy smarts.
But no this coach wants Blair because it is this type of character that he values over all else.
Blair has played over 100 games and he should be damn proud of this.
It is not Blair fault that he gets picked every week.
I want to develop other players instead of Blair.
Because to me he is not up to standard.
As if the world is not full of midgets who can play footy.
But we get rid of a KPP in Cloke who you are likely to jag once in
every generation.
It is not about Blair it is about the culture at Collinwood that keeps playing a dud. |
This.
He's just isn't a good footballer. Was on the way to being one but hasn't got there and never will. |
Only Treloar, Aish, Pendlebury and Howe had the footy more than Blair on Friday night and still he can't get any respect, that says it all. Will continue to get selected until someone offers more. |
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As usual Jackcass you mention one game.
forgot to mention the no kicks last week.
So no goals last week and no goals this week.
And he is a forward.
If we haven't got players who can offer more
then that really is an indictment on the club.
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September Zeros
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| thompsoc wrote: | | September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | So E you said nothing there except he goes in hard in a pack.
reliable shot.....it would be good if he had a few shots. But he averages less than 15 goals per season.
Not much point being a reliable shot when you don't get a shot!
So your whole argument is that he goes in hard in a pack.
My dog goes in hard when there is a pack but my mutt can't play footy just like jarrod.
And yes I forgot to mention the drawn 2010 gf where he got 10 disposals at an effective disposal rate of 50%.
So in 3 gf's he got 22 touches with effective touches of a rate close to 12 touches out of 22 disposals.
Like i said 12 effective touches in 3 yes 3 gf's is up there with the great derek shaw who got none in one gf.
He never lived down that infamous outing.
So, the Hobbit averaged 4 effective disposals per gf.
What a wonderful effort.
But you and your cronies keep mentioning his premiership medal as evidence of his value.
He was a liability then as he is a liability now.
But he plays his role just like you do as an apologist on this board.
So who is this tommy sook? |
Its not a question about Blair's worth, everybody knows his deficiencies as a player.
Its more a question of why you thommsoc, hate on him so dam hard? |
Good question there SZ.
Because it is systematic of the wrong direction the club has taken.
Two weeks ago JDG was dropped for Blair.
If we are going to go the rebuild then lets rebuild.
But no ...instead of getting another game into JDG we put in Blair instead.
Bux likes Blair because he is tough, hard working and always tries to follow instructions.
But a coach has to also value skills, flair and footy smarts.
But no this coach wants Blair because it is this type of character that he values over all else.
Blair has played over 100 games and he should be damn proud of this.
It is not Blair fault that he gets picked every week.
I want to develop other players instead of Blair.
Because to me he is not up to standard.
As if the world is not full of midgets who can play footy.
But we get rid of a KPP in Cloke who you are likely to jag once in
every generation.
It is not about Blair it is about the culture at Collinwood that keeps playing a dud. |
I whole heartedly agree re Cloke.
I also agree re our decision making at the selection table at times. However JDG may well be being managed and I don't think he's a good example.
A better example is why Cloke wasn't selected against the Dogs in place of the kickless Blair from the week before. I over looked this at first but in retrospect it was a mistake but alas in keeping with the flawed two prong attack we seem hell bent on persisting with.
But this is not Blair's fault and its one of the few times this year we have had the selection option. Its been slim pickings on our forward line thanks to long term injuries which has decreased the pool of available players. Had they all been available all year I think you would have seen less of J. Blair.
Thus I disagree strongly the line of thinking that he is gifted games.
It's narrow minded to not see the true reasons for his selection and simply blame it on poor club culture.
Lastly I have said and will continue to say that I agree re Blair's shortcomings as a footballer, what I despise is the hate he cops for doing no more than pulling the boots on and doing his best for our club.
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| thompsoc wrote: | So E you said nothing there except he goes in hard in a pack.
reliable shot.....it would be good if he had a few shots. But he averages less than 15 goals per season.
Not much point being a reliable shot when you don't get a shot!
So your whole argument is that he goes in hard in a pack.
My dog goes in hard when there is a pack but my mutt can't play footy just like jarrod.
And yes I forgot to mention the drawn 2010 gf where he got 10 disposals at an effective disposal rate of 50%.
So in 3 gf's he got 22 touches with effective touches of a rate close to 12 touches out of 22 disposals.
Like i said 12 effective touches in 3 yes 3 gf's is up there with the great derek shaw who got none in one gf.
He never lived down that infamous outing.
So, the Hobbit averaged 4 effective disposals per gf.
What a wonderful effort.
But you and your cronies keep mentioning his premiership medal as evidence of his value.
He was a liability then as he is a liability now.
But he plays his role just like you do as an apologist on this board.
So who is this tommy sook? |
I never called you Tommy Sook. I was certainly not being disrespectful of your name. I hope you didn't take offense.
I don't like anyone being called an apologist. I think it is just too much of a cop out line when you don't have any better way to argue against someone who doesn't agree with you. But I especially don't like it when it is directed at me. even the meaning you place on that word, when referring to me is wrong.
If you used the word trouble maker, then I might agree with you.
If you follow me more closely tommy, you will find that I usually just take the other side of every argument when I feel like they have gone too far. sometimes I am in favor of the Collingwood related matter and just as often I am against. so while I agree that Blair has his deficiencies, I think its crap that he is being disrespected in some of the posts (since he is a famous premiership player and deserves respect), and I also think people are overstating his deficiencies. For example. You mock him for kicking 15 goals with an accurate boot because its only 15 goals. How many players for Collingwood kicked more than that this year??????
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| September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | | September Zeros wrote: | | thompsoc wrote: | So E you said nothing there except he goes in hard in a pack.
reliable shot.....it would be good if he had a few shots. But he averages less than 15 goals per season.
Not much point being a reliable shot when you don't get a shot!
So your whole argument is that he goes in hard in a pack.
My dog goes in hard when there is a pack but my mutt can't play footy just like jarrod.
And yes I forgot to mention the drawn 2010 gf where he got 10 disposals at an effective disposal rate of 50%.
So in 3 gf's he got 22 touches with effective touches of a rate close to 12 touches out of 22 disposals.
Like i said 12 effective touches in 3 yes 3 gf's is up there with the great derek shaw who got none in one gf.
He never lived down that infamous outing.
So, the Hobbit averaged 4 effective disposals per gf.
What a wonderful effort.
But you and your cronies keep mentioning his premiership medal as evidence of his value.
He was a liability then as he is a liability now.
But he plays his role just like you do as an apologist on this board.
So who is this tommy sook? |
Its not a question about Blair's worth, everybody knows his deficiencies as a player.
Its more a question of why you thommsoc, hate on him so dam hard? |
Good question there SZ.
Because it is systematic of the wrong direction the club has taken.
Two weeks ago JDG was dropped for Blair.
If we are going to go the rebuild then lets rebuild.
But no ...instead of getting another game into JDG we put in Blair instead.
Bux likes Blair because he is tough, hard working and always tries to follow instructions.
But a coach has to also value skills, flair and footy smarts.
But no this coach wants Blair because it is this type of character that he values over all else.
Blair has played over 100 games and he should be damn proud of this.
It is not Blair fault that he gets picked every week.
I want to develop other players instead of Blair.
Because to me he is not up to standard.
As if the world is not full of midgets who can play footy.
But we get rid of a KPP in Cloke who you are likely to jag once in
every generation.
It is not about Blair it is about the culture at Collinwood that keeps playing a dud. |
I whole heartedly agree re Cloke.
I also agree re our decision making at the selection table at times. However JDG may well be being managed and I don't think he's a good example.
A better example is why Cloke wasn't selected against the Dogs in place of the kickless Blair from the week before. I over looked this at first but in retrospect it was a mistake but alas in keeping with the flawed two prong attack we seem hell bent on persisting with.
But this is not Blair's fault and its one of the few times this year we have had the selection option. Its been slim pickings on our forward line thanks to long term injuries which has decreased the pool of available players. Had they all been available all year I think you would have seen less of J. Blair.
Thus I disagree strongly the line of thinking that he is gifted games.
It's narrow minded to not see the true reasons for his selection and simply blame it on poor club culture.
Lastly I have said and will continue to say that I agree re Blair's shortcomings as a footballer, what I despise is the hate he cops for doing no more than pulling the boots on and doing his best for our club. |
the main reason the pies got crushed by the tigers is that the three pronged forward line of Cox, Cloke and White made rebounding the ball out of half back the easiest thing in the world. It is a structure doomed to fail. For Blair to be removed there needs to be a better defensive minded forward (i.e., one who can stop the ball from rebounding out of the forward line as fast as it does when Cox, Cloke and white are all in the same forward line). sadly, Crocker hasn't stepped up, and Faz, Elliot, Swan and Broomhead all appear to be a little banged up at the moment.
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There is a flaw in your argument.
We have moved on players, we have deleted players in the last 4 or so years
that were superior to Blair.
The idea that we have no one better, or we are managing players etc...
is really a silly one.
The guy is not AFL standard full stop.
We could have deleted Blair and drafted a mature aged suburban player
and see what he offered.
We know Blair is a dud, try the next rookie and see what they offer.
But keep him on the list and we know what we get....nothing.
And I will say this again.
Not one other club would be remotely interested in drafting him if he came on the market.
That is is value to them and frankly that is his value to us.
He is stopping another player from having a go.
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| There were at least 2 critical moments where he had the ball and instead of using the first option available to him, he attempted to fend off and failed miserably. Once Fasolo and Elliot are back & fit, we have no need for him. You wouldn't even notice he wasn't there. And I say this as someone who has defended him in the past. |
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| thompsoc wrote: | There is a flaw in your argument.
We have moved on players, we have deleted players in the last 4 or so years
that were superior to Blair.
The idea that we have no one better, or we are managing players etc...
is really a silly one.
The guy is not AFL standard full stop.
We could have deleted Blair and drafted a mature aged suburban player
and see what he offered.
We know Blair is a dud, try the next rookie and see what they offer.
But keep him on the list and we know what we get....nothing.
And I will say this again.
Not one other club would be remotely interested in drafting him if he came on the market.
That is his value to them and frankly that is his value to us.
He is stopping another player from having a go. |
And think it is rumoured that the club wants to sign him up for another
2 years means they think he can be best 22.
God help us.
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This reminds me of the likes of Tarkyn Lockyer/shane O'bree/Josh Fraser debates from 2008/2009.
What was true then is equally true today - we will be in pretty good shape when Jarryd Blair cant get a game at Collingwood (on merit rather than some silly notion that he isn't good enough and we should be "getting games" into someone else).
Those blokes played until other players were good enough to replace them (not potentially good enough - ACTUALLY GOOD ENOUGH). Not until a coach decided to try lesser prepared players who weren't better players AT THAT TIME.
Turns out they didn't get replaced until 2010!!!!!!!
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