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Pies4shaw 
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| watt price tully wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Goodness, wpt - do you have to sound quite so much like you're door-knocking for him? |
What promises hasn't he kept so far P4S? |
I was commenting on the style of your post - I have less than no interest in its substantive content. |
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watt price tully 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Goodness, wpt - do you have to sound quite so much like you're door-knocking for him? |
What promises hasn't he kept so far P4S? |
I was commenting on the style of your post - I have less than no interest in its substantive content. |
In the words of Midnight Oil - short memory my friend
You forgot how bad the last lot were in this state.
May I remind you of the decimation of TAFE & the privatization of everything else etc.
Accordingly, in that light I'm more than happy to promote this state government.
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Culprit 
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | All that Matthew Guy does is Bitch about the Labor Party and comes up with Nothing New |
He is like a Jack Russell snapping at your heals. Small man syndrome and I had to laugh he said Andrew's infrastructure plans are for now, not about the future.   |
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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So while I've been away, Dandrews has sacked the board of the CFA, the emergency services minister has resigned and he's handed control of the CFA directly to the union, the former two actions because they disagreed with him.
Lisa Fitzpatrick must be spewing, the ANMF could be legitimately running health in Victoria if she'd pushed harder instead of having to do it behind the scenes.
Labor, putting unions first. 
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David 
I dare you to try
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Some might say putting workers' rights and conditions first. But I'm not up on the ins and outs of this issue.
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stui magpie
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Read up on it. Without volunteers the CFA would not work. The union doesn't like volunteers because they don't pay union membership fees.
Hope we don't have a wet spring and hot summer, this could come back to bite really hard.
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Culprit
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| As an ex CFA volunteer all I can say is nothing has changed in 30 years. You have the group who believe the only way is the CFA way and the other group is the only way is the union way. This has been brewing for years, finally it may be sorted but I doubt it. Too many people trying to score political points than rather look at the issue objectively. |
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watt price tully
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Read up on it. Without volunteers the CFA would not work. The union doesn't like volunteers because they don't pay union membership fees.
Hope we don't have a wet spring and hot summer, this could come back to bite really hard. |
Let's not be too melodramatic Stui. Jet lag still lingering?   News limited is not a good source of balanced coverage here. Need to read a lot more than the Hun on the issue.
Politically Andrews left a vacuum that was filled by the partisan & histrionic News limited & opportunistic State & Federal Libs - that was a mistake. Shorten must be spewing.
The CFA have for many years been recalcitrant, top heavy and dysfunctional. However this has virtually zero to do with the dedicated fine work that volunteers do.
Don't confuse mass hysteria with facts.
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HAL
Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| "Without your space helmet Dave, you're going to find that rather difficult" -- HAL. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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| watt price tully wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
Read up on it. Without volunteers the CFA would not work. The union doesn't like volunteers because they don't pay union membership fees.
Hope we don't have a wet spring and hot summer, this could come back to bite really hard. |
Let's not be too melodramatic Stui. Jet lag still lingering? News limited is not a good source of balanced coverage here. Need to read a lot more than the Hun on the issue.
Politically Andrews left a vacuum that was filled by the partisan & histrionic News limited & opportunistic State & Federal Libs - that was a mistake. Shorten must be spewing.
The CFA have for many years been recalcitrant, top heavy and dysfunctional. However this has virtually zero to do with the dedicated fine work that volunteers do.
Don't confuse mass hysteria with facts. |
Yes jet lag is still lingering, but I don't rely on the Hun for news, I read several sources.
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Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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watt price tully
Joined: 15 May 2007
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| stui magpie wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
Read up on it. Without volunteers the CFA would not work. The union doesn't like volunteers because they don't pay union membership fees.
Hope we don't have a wet spring and hot summer, this could come back to bite really hard. |
Let's not be too melodramatic Stui. Jet lag still lingering? News limited is not a good source of balanced coverage here. Need to read a lot more than the Hun on the issue.
Politically Andrews left a vacuum that was filled by the partisan & histrionic News limited & opportunistic State & Federal Libs - that was a mistake. Shorten must be spewing.
The CFA have for many years been recalcitrant, top heavy and dysfunctional. However this has virtually zero to do with the dedicated fine work that volunteers do.
Don't confuse mass hysteria with facts. |
Yes jet lag is still lingering, but I don't rely on the Hun for news, I read several sources.
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Not fair enough but a touch
However, two issues of note here:
1. For quite some time now the Aged (as some poster here coined the term some time ago) is more catchya / tabloid than the tabloid itself.
2. He would say that wouldn't he? that is the Jack Rush stand as the CFA's legal opinion (cue P4S)
A lot needs to come out yet but the CFA organisation needs to be brought to the fold.
Having said that Andrews handling of the matter was troubling, as I noted earlier: politically, he left a vacuum (while he was in the US on trade & policing matters).
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Jezza 
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | All that Matthew Guy does is Bitch about the Labor Party and comes up with Nothing New |
Isn't that what every opposition leader and party does?
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Culprit
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Jezza wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | All that Matthew Guy does is Bitch about the Labor Party and comes up with Nothing New |
Isn't that what every opposition leader and party does? |
It's current day politics and that is why people just switch off. |
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Wokko 
Come and take it.
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Oppositions used to offer an alternative policy platform and policy. This ended after John Hewson's Fightback and to a lesser extent Mark Latham. Hewson laid out for the electorate in specific detail his alternative and subsequently lost an election that he had no right to lose.
Since then oppositions would rather tear down the Government's agenda and try and sway the electorate through slogans and psychology. I still have an intense interest in politics but I'm starting to question that, I haven't paid any attention to the current Australian election, I despise both Turnbull and Shorten, Labor and Liberal and feel that neither party; the only two that might form Government, represent me at all. |
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