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CarringbushCigar 
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The only thing I can add to this discussion is that if you get rid of Buckley you need to replace him with someone with the track record and skills to do a better job.
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In reality the only thing you have done is limit the field of potential replacements to the current population of the planet, except Royce Hart. |
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Member 7167 
"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
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| CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: |
The only thing I can add to this discussion is that if you get rid of Buckley you need to replace him with someone with the track record and skills to do a better job.
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In reality the only thing you have done is limit the field of potential replacements to the current population of the planet, except Royce Hart. |
So please enlighten me and inform me of who you think are the best options available. The world population does not cut it for me and your invalid response simply only serves your own agenda.
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regan is true fullback
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found this from last year. i wrote:
I am not going to buy into whether or not Buckley should be let go, but assume he is like Sean Penn in the nun in the prison movie, and have a serious look at other possibilities.
1. Melbourne guy. Roos has the score on the board, one premiership, one runner up and is out of contract. might be willing to go around again if the price is right. has character, ironically refused a contract at Collingwood to join his friend Perty back in 1993...
2. Essendon guy. Thompson has the score on the board, 2 premierships, which is no mean feat, plus a good record at Essendon. But character issues mean that Caroline and co would have a picnic at our expense...
3. Port guy. Hinkley has a good finals record, nearly made a grand final 2 years ago. Has the ability to turn around a demoralised mess, could be what we are looking for.
4. Other Port guy. Williams has the flag, but a singular ability to lose finals and his temper could be a problem in the goldfish bowl. Still remains the only Collingwood player to coach a premiership since 1958.
5. Freo guy. don't smirk. Lyon has an excellent record in finals, plus four grand finals. Could a well administered wealthy club be the one to change his luck? Unfortunately his coaching methods will not make the turnstiles click over...
6. Richmond guy. Hardwick can coach, but whether a bloke who specialises in losing finals is the right fit for here is a problem...
7. I would reject out of hand unknowns like Stuart Dew. Too much of a leap into the unknown, need someone with the score on the board.
after reviewing this I would take Dew or a Scott brother, provided the proper structures are in place. |
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Lazza
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Definitely NOT Essendon guy Thompson for reasons best left unsaid but smart posters here will know exactly what I mean and what the reasons are.
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CarringbushCigar
Joined: 15 Nov 2007
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| Member 7167 wrote: | | CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: |
The only thing I can add to this discussion is that if you get rid of Buckley you need to replace him with someone with the track record and skills to do a better job.
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In reality the only thing you have done is limit the field of potential replacements to the current population of the planet, except Royce Hart. |
So please enlighten me and inform me of who you think are the best options available. The world population does not cut it for me and your invalid response simply only serves your own agenda. |
Invalid?
Name someone on the planet with a worse coaching 'track record' than our senior coach?
Listen up, my only agenda is for this football club to be in finals contention from time to time with 8 rounds to go.
And if we do get there, that the senior coach doesn't completely stuff it up with selection and match day incompetence, and then go about culling premiership heroes blaming a successful culture for his own character flaws.
Sorry to be so demanding.
OK off the top of my head here would be my long list of prospects, in a rough priority order:
1. Clarko
2. Lyon
3. Bolton
4. Hinkley
5. Longmire
6. Lloyd
7. Solomon
8. Blakely
9. Collins
10. Roos
11. Buddah
12. Burnsy
13. Ratten
14. Chocco
15. Tapping
16. Dew
etc
etc
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WhyPhilWhy?
WhyPhilWhy?
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If we won 15+ games a year, regardless of the method, the turnstiles would certainly be clicking over.
Don't discount the Fremantle guy on the basis of his game plan. |
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regan is true fullback
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| ^Thank you Phil, it's good to have a reasonable discussion on this topic. |
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swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
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Coaching candidate #4 - Leigh Tudor
Leigh Tudor played 68 games for North Melbourne and Geelong between the years 1989-1996.
While Tudor didn't have as distinguished a playing career like other candidates he was part of 2 grand finals sides in 94/95.
Tudor entered coaching within AFL ranks with Geelong in 2005.
He would coach the Geelong VFL side to the grand final in 2006 before going one step better and winning the premiership in 2007.
The Geelong senior team would also win the flag that year.
At the end of 2008 he joined St Kilda and was an assistant under Ross Lyon as they made consecutive grand final appearances in 2009/10.
In 2011 he would join former teammate John Longmire at Sydney and would be midfield coach in there 2012 premiership season.
In 2014 he joined North Melbourne and would once again be the midfield/transition coach.
They made the preliminary final in that season as well as 2015.
While Tudor isn't your high profile or "sexy" choice he's certainly put together an impressive resume and has been involved at clubs during successful periods and an assistant to some of the games most highly regarded coaches.
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MagpieBat
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| September Zeros wrote: | Adam Kingsley - 3 yrs at Port , 7 years at St Kilda.
10 yrs in the coaches box from an under the radar B&F winner and premiership winning player.
Any Love? |
He should be in the mix, through a proper and uninhibited 21st century recruiting process...
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Member 7167
"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
Location: The Collibran Hideout
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| CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | | CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: |
The only thing I can add to this discussion is that if you get rid of Buckley you need to replace him with someone with the track record and skills to do a better job.
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In reality the only thing you have done is limit the field of potential replacements to the current population of the planet, except Royce Hart. |
So please enlighten me and inform me of who you think are the best options available. The world population does not cut it for me and your invalid response simply only serves your own agenda. |
Invalid?
Name someone on the planet with a worse coaching 'track record' than our senior coach?
Listen up, my only agenda is for this football club to be in finals contention from time to time with 8 rounds to go.
And if we do get there, that the senior coach doesn't completely stuff it up with selection and match day incompetence, and then go about culling premiership heroes blaming a successful culture for his own character flaws.
Sorry to be so demanding.
OK off the top of my head here would be my long list of prospects, in a rough priority order:
1. Clarko
2. Lyon
3. Bolton
4. Hinkley
5. Longmire
6. Lloyd
7. Solomon
8. Blakely
9. Collins
10. Roos
11. Buddah
12. Burnsy
13. Ratten
14. Chocco
15. Tapping
16. Dew
etc
etc
999. MooreTreloar |
Excuse the pun but that is A "Pie in the Sky" list.
You need to put up a list of coaches with a proven track record, who are willing to coach Collingwood and are in a position to commit to coach Collingwood.
If they have an existing contract they should be excluded.
This shortens your list considerably.
Also, if you think that anyone on the planet could do a better job than Buckley you are delusional.
By the way I have used Pie In The Sky travel for international holidays and they proved to be very good.
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CarringbushCigar
Joined: 15 Nov 2007
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| Member 7167 wrote: | | CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | | CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: |
The only thing I can add to this discussion is that if you get rid of Buckley you need to replace him with someone with the track record and skills to do a better job.
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In reality the only thing you have done is limit the field of potential replacements to the current population of the planet, except Royce Hart. |
So please enlighten me and inform me of who you think are the best options available. The world population does not cut it for me and your invalid response simply only serves your own agenda. |
Invalid?
Name someone on the planet with a worse coaching 'track record' than our senior coach?
Listen up, my only agenda is for this football club to be in finals contention from time to time with 8 rounds to go.
And if we do get there, that the senior coach doesn't completely stuff it up with selection and match day incompetence, and then go about culling premiership heroes blaming a successful culture for his own character flaws.
Sorry to be so demanding.
OK off the top of my head here would be my long list of prospects, in a rough priority order:
1. Clarko
2. Lyon
3. Bolton
4. Hinkley
5. Longmire
6. Lloyd
7. Solomon
8. Blakely
9. Collins
10. Roos
11. Buddah
12. Burnsy
13. Ratten
14. Chocco
15. Tapping
16. Dew
etc
etc
999. MooreTreloar |
Excuse the pun but that is A "Pie in the Sky" list.
You need to put up a list of coaches with a proven track record, who are willing to coach Collingwood and are in a position to commit to coach Collingwood.
If they have an existing contract they should be excluded.
This shortens your list considerably.
Also, if you think that anyone on the planet could do a better job than Buckley you are delusional.
By the way I have used Pie In The Sky travel for international holidays and they proved to be very good. |
Sorry I assumed English is one of your top 3 languages.
You said that we need to 'need to replace him with someone with the track record .. to do a better job'.
Nobody has a worse coaching track record than Bucks, as you well know.
Let it go MemberModOrNot, Buckley is history. |
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Member 7167
"What Good Fortune For Governments That The People Do Not Think" - Adolf Hitler.
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
Location: The Collibran Hideout
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| CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | | CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | | CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: |
The only thing I can add to this discussion is that if you get rid of Buckley you need to replace him with someone with the track record and skills to do a better job.
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In reality the only thing you have done is limit the field of potential replacements to the current population of the planet, except Royce Hart. |
So please enlighten me and inform me of who you think are the best options available. The world population does not cut it for me and your invalid response simply only serves your own agenda. |
Invalid?
Name someone on the planet with a worse coaching 'track record' than our senior coach?
Listen up, my only agenda is for this football club to be in finals contention from time to time with 8 rounds to go.
And if we do get there, that the senior coach doesn't completely stuff it up with selection and match day incompetence, and then go about culling premiership heroes blaming a successful culture for his own character flaws.
Sorry to be so demanding.
OK off the top of my head here would be my long list of prospects, in a rough priority order:
1. Clarko
2. Lyon
3. Bolton
4. Hinkley
5. Longmire
6. Lloyd
7. Solomon
8. Blakely
9. Collins
10. Roos
11. Buddah
12. Burnsy
13. Ratten
14. Chocco
15. Tapping
16. Dew
etc
etc
999. MooreTreloar |
Excuse the pun but that is A "Pie in the Sky" list.
You need to put up a list of coaches with a proven track record, who are willing to coach Collingwood and are in a position to commit to coach Collingwood.
If they have an existing contract they should be excluded.
This shortens your list considerably.
Also, if you think that anyone on the planet could do a better job than Buckley you are delusional.
By the way I have used Pie In The Sky travel for international holidays and they proved to be very good. |
Sorry I assumed English is one of your top 3 languages.
You said that we need to 'need to replace him with someone with the track record .. to do a better job'.
Nobody has a worse coaching track record than Bucks, as you well know.
Let it go MemberModOrNot, Buckley is history. |
I am discussing this as a long term member of this forum. My mod status has nothing to do with my comments one way or the other and I have never abused my role as a mod in any way.
Buckley may well and truly be gone and as the team are a shambles from many perspectives. That said there is no necessity to underestimate what it takes to be a modern day coach.
And by the way a proven track record would be defined by someone who has had a successful career as a senior AFL coach. Not an assistant coach or someone who has won a premiership for the Knox Under 10's.
And by the way I do not appreciate the put downs.
And by the way here a a few contenders from a different sport that hace a worse record, Not hard to find.
http://deadspin.com/the-16-worst-coaches-in-modern-nfl-history-512701096
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CarringbushCigar
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And by the way a proven track record would be defined by someone who has had a successful career as a senior AFL coach. Not an assistant coach or someone who has won a premiership for the Knox Under 10's.
And by the way I do not appreciate the put downs. |
Sorry, I'm still struggling to grasp your unique brand of logic.
So you only want someone with a proven AFL senior coach track record to replace Bucks but are ruling out anyone currently contracted?
Is that right?
Buckley would slot into that list without doubt, probably at numero uno, because none of them took over a club in our position.
None of those coaches were given the opportunity of tenure as Bucks has been granted.
BTW the ox is slow but the earth is patient, or is that you reap what you sow. |
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
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| Member 7167 wrote: | | CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | | CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: | | CarringbushCigar wrote: | | Member 7167 wrote: |
The only thing I can add to this discussion is that if you get rid of Buckley you need to replace him with someone with the track record and skills to do a better job.
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In reality the only thing you have done is limit the field of potential replacements to the current population of the planet, except Royce Hart. |
So please enlighten me and inform me of who you think are the best options available. The world population does not cut it for me and your invalid response simply only serves your own agenda. |
Invalid?
Name someone on the planet with a worse coaching 'track record' than our senior coach?
Listen up, my only agenda is for this football club to be in finals contention from time to time with 8 rounds to go.
And if we do get there, that the senior coach doesn't completely stuff it up with selection and match day incompetence, and then go about culling premiership heroes blaming a successful culture for his own character flaws.
Sorry to be so demanding.
OK off the top of my head here would be my long list of prospects, in a rough priority order:
1. Clarko
2. Lyon
3. Bolton
4. Hinkley
5. Longmire
6. Lloyd
7. Solomon
8. Blakely
9. Collins
10. Roos
11. Buddah
12. Burnsy
13. Ratten
14. Chocco
15. Tapping
16. Dew
etc
etc
999. MooreTreloar |
Excuse the pun but that is A "Pie in the Sky" list.
You need to put up a list of coaches with a proven track record, who are willing to coach Collingwood and are in a position to commit to coach Collingwood.
If they have an existing contract they should be excluded.
This shortens your list considerably.
Also, if you think that anyone on the planet could do a better job than Buckley you are delusional.
By the way I have used Pie In The Sky travel for international holidays and they proved to be very good. |
Sorry I assumed English is one of your top 3 languages.
You said that we need to 'need to replace him with someone with the track record .. to do a better job'.
Nobody has a worse coaching track record than Bucks, as you well know.
Let it go MemberModOrNot, Buckley is history. |
I am discussing this as a long term member of this forum. My mod status has nothing to do with my comments one way or the other and I have never abused my role as a mod in any way.
Buckley may well and truly be gone and as the team are a shambles from many perspectives. That said there is no necessity to underestimate what it takes to be a modern day coach.
And by the way a proven track record would be defined by someone who has had a successful career as a senior AFL coach. Not an assistant coach or someone who has won a premiership for the Knox Under 10's.
And by the way I do not appreciate the put downs.
And by the way here a a few contenders from a different sport that hace a worse record, Not hard to find.
http://deadspin.com/the-16-worst-coaches-in-modern-nfl-history-512701096 |
12 out of the last 16 premierships have been won by coaches at there original/first senior coach appointment.
Of the 4 premierships that weren't both coaches (Malthouse and Matthews) had already tasted premiership success at a previous club.
Recent history across the AFL suggests our best hope is to appoint a well credentialed assistant who'll become a first time AFL senior coach.
The next best is a premiership coach.
With that stat Ratten and B.Scott might need to be ruled out.
Malcolm Blight who got Geelong into multiple grand finals before finally tasting premiership success with Adelaide is why the option of Ross Lyon should still be considered if he became available.
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