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neil 
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Magpie Jack wrote: | | I'm a huge Cloke fan but I'm resigned to the fact that if Bucks is still coach next year Cloke will be leaving. He might end up in Brisbane on a million a year or he may take less money and win a flag with Hawthorn. I know he has his knockers but he's actually our 7th highest goal kicker of all time now. |
He's performed poorly over his career, though.
Although he's ahead of, eg, Anthony Rocca, Des Tuddenham, Murray Weideman, Lou Richards, Brian Taylor, Des Fothergill, Ron Todd, Chris Tarrant, Craig Davis, Rene Kink, Twiggy Dunne and Peter Moore for Collingwood goals kicked over his career, he's still behind bog-average players like Gordon Coventry, Peter McKenna, Dick Lee, Peter Daicos, Sav Rocca and Albie Pannam.
And - because he's been consistently disloyal and kept leaving to play for other teams, he's only ranked 15th all-time in games played for Collingwood, behind scrubbers like Tony Shaw, Gordon Coventry (again), Wayne Richardson, Len Thompson, Scott Burns, Jock McHale, Nathan Buckley, Dane Swan, Gavin Brown, Harry Collier, Lou Richards (again), Daicos (again), Gavin Crosisca and Phonse Kyne. Of course, he's a year and a half younger than the youngest of them were when they stopped playing for Collingwood (Thompson, who went on to play at Fitzroy) but he's been finished for years now. He hasn't played a decent game for 5 seasons.
And he'd certainly need to get two more contested marks next week - because otherwise he wouldn't become the second player in the recorded history of the game (after Riewoldt) to take 500 contested marks in his career - at least, until later in the season. As it is, he's been stuck on 498 for nearly 24 hours (because he only managed 5 contested marks in his last game). |
When you put it like that then he is just an average player 
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Jezza 
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| Woods wrote: | Any performance Cloke puts in between now and the end of the year is just him building up his audition reel for the next club he will be selling himself to.
He’s already decided to leave. Long ago. This became apparent when he (under his management’s instruction) went public early this year in calling for Collingwood to begin contract extension negotiations during this current season (rather than wait until after it and into 2017).
Cloke knows Collingwood can’t and won’t keep him on his high $ contract he is on now. But other teams that have a need for a KPF are willing to pay big $ - bigger than what Collingwood is prepared to pay in light of other available forward options (eg. Moore, Cox, White etc.) and the dire need to find extra cash within the salary cap to retain other key players (or lose them).
The problem for Cloke (or rather his management, because Cloke is dumb as sh*t and wouldn’t know a crisis till it hit him in the face) is that if he simply leaves Collingwood his fate will be similar to that of Dollar Daisy and Greedy Beams. Didn’t that go well! Leaving the Pies for the money after milking the club for years while turning out some pretty shabby performances is the most heinous crime in Black & White. And Cloke simply does not have the strength of character to survive the assailing hordes of Collingwood faithful who will make his future playing career hell (anybody recall Daisy’s first reunion match with the Pies – how do you reckon the big oaf Cloke would cope?)
No, his exit needs to be managed in PR terms. So the PR plan devised by his management, in conjunction with certain journalists and some PR bods attached to prospective team(s), is to create the meme in the public mind that it is not Cloke who wants to leave Collingwood, but that ungrateful and cruel club Collingwood, and particularly its coach, that is trying to ditch its loyal servant Cloke. “They made me leave”, is the line Cloke was to run with.
That was how it was until a couple of weeks ago. The deal now in play is that Collingwood will give him every opportunity to play in the seniors if he puts in. And this will pay dividends for the contract Cloke will sign off at his new club. For Collingwood it gets a Cloke that is at least trying harder to play well, and the current truce has put to bed (for now) serious internal disharmony within the playing group and a main cause of the up and down performances Collingwood has put in this year.
Pity it started out on this path. The year may had carried more promise for us all. |
I'm not ruling out trading Cloke at the end of the year if the right offer comes along, but it's well-known that you seem to despise Cloke and went as far as blaming him for our poor start this year, which was due to a combination of factors including many players underperforming including Cloke.
Everything else you've said is speculative and driven by opinion rather than fact, unless you can prove it otherwise with evidence.
I'm just happy he played well on the weekend. Whether it's a turning point for him or just an aberration for the remainder of the season remains to be seen.
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RudeBoy
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| I'm a long time critic of Cloke, but if he can maintain the level of intensity he showed yesterday for the remainder of this season then he definitely has a place in our 2017 side. |
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Pies4shaw 
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The guy who has played at CHF in the last three AFL premiership teams has never had an 18 kick, 12 mark, 4 goal game. If Buckley seriously thinks - as you apparently do - that that is the standard to which Cloke has to play to warrant a place in next year's team, it's probably time for Travis to think about whether he should leave to play for a side that would like a CHF to win it a couple of premierships.
Most CHFs who have taken the field in the history of the game would have called that a career-day, if only they'd been able to get the ball half that often. |
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Bob Sugar
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | The guy who has played at CHF in the last three AFL premiership teams has never had an 18 kick, 12 mark, 4 goal game. If Buckley seriously thinks - as you apparently do - that that is the standard to which Cloke has to play to warrant a place in next year's team, it's probably time for Travis to think about whether he should leave to play for a side that would like a CHF to win it a couple of premierships.
Most CHFs who have taken the field in the history of the game would have called that a career-day, if only they'd been able to get the ball half that often. |
6 weeks ago he couldn't get a kick in the VFL, the gulf between his best and worst is as big as any player i've ever seen, he is a very fickle player and the sooner we rid ourselves of him the better.
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| If Cloke maintains form of this kind for the rest of the year, then there is no way we should let him go. He has shown tremendous character and strength to get him back into such an awesome display of power football. If this is the real deal, and he is back playing at a similar level regularly, then we must keep him. We are building a young team, and what better way to enhance its confidence and teach our young forwards than with Cloke playing with such power and force? |
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Pies4shaw
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| For his game against GWS, one of the coaches ranked him second best on the ground, after Grundy, and the other ranked him 4th best on the ground behind Adams, Grundy and Sudebottom. |
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qldmagpie67
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Bucks on 360 last night was asked directly first up about Cloke. He said is GPS results were over 15klms wow just wow for a CHF
He also said Cloke on the weekend was fantastic but it should be tempered that that sort of performance won't and can't happen every week but he continues to show that sort of effort and I quote "we are far better better team with Travis Cloke playing like that"
He's effort on the weekend was great but he also did all the little things that made his team mates better as well which is equally important
Buckley made a interesting point last night in talking about Cloke when he said "like every player as you get older you need to adjust your preparation and routines pre game Travis has been learning that and now he's in a good place in that regard"
He said Cloke hasn't lost a lot of weight he's just adapted his body for the way today's game is played
For mine Adelaide's back 6 aren't any better than than GWS back 6 and they can and have been scored heavily against often this year.
They play a very offensive based game style not dissimilar to GWS but the big difference is the crows experience.
There forward line is hard to stop and Walker Jenkins Betts Lynch have been dominate every week for the past month or so.
We need to kill supply at the source in the midfield to give our backs a chance
Jenkins plays deep so Brown has to be body on body with him Walker will run a lot and lead up hard so Marsh has to be on his game Reid gets Lynch and I think this can be a win for us. Maynard will need to be tight on Betts all night and put him under pressure.
Howe is going to be important as the spoiler and I wouldn't be surprised to see White used at times as a roving defender type even if it's to give someone like Hiowe a break.
If our midfield can win then I believe we're a big chance |
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | He'll be leaving. He's already gone to play for Essendon, Richmond, Melbourne, Carlton and Fremantle for their offers of $1M+ per season during previous contract negotiations, so why would he stay this time? |
Any truth to the rumour that he's already had a jumper made up that combines elements of all 5 of those clubs? |
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jackcass
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| Bob Sugar wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | The guy who has played at CHF in the last three AFL premiership teams has never had an 18 kick, 12 mark, 4 goal game. If Buckley seriously thinks - as you apparently do - that that is the standard to which Cloke has to play to warrant a place in next year's team, it's probably time for Travis to think about whether he should leave to play for a side that would like a CHF to win it a couple of premierships.
Most CHFs who have taken the field in the history of the game would have called that a career-day, if only they'd been able to get the ball half that often. |
6 weeks ago he couldn't get a kick in the VFL, the gulf between his best and worst is as big as any player i've ever seen, he is a very fickle player and the sooner we rid ourselves of him the better. |
Yep, fickle should be reserved for supporters, how dare he! |
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didick
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Appears he was using an un-approved glove on Saturday.
Queue the haters....
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Wonder if he was using the same glove all season, even when he was being bagged for poor form. Was he actually wearing a glove earlier in the season? If he was I bet there were no questions about whether it was approved or not.
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Boogie Knights
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Bl00dy unapproved equipment... next thing they'll be warning him for his unapproved left boot... the one that always seems to swing the ball away from the big sticks when he kicks it!
Jeez, cut him some slack... he was back to his beastly best and somehow there's another negative story. |
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| didick wrote: |
Wonder if he was using the same glove all season, even when he was being bagged for poor form. Was he actually wearing a glove earlier in the season? If he was I bet there were no questions about whether it was approved or not. |
Article's wrong he was wearing different gloves in the Carlton and GWS games. The AFL site says he hasn't worn a glove for about a year.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-12/cloke-and-dagger-pies-glove-not-afl-approved
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