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Brenny
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That happened in Q29 I think.
I sit right by it.
The banner went up, two girls I think it was started hurling abuse.
Then the people holding the banner started hurling abuse back.
Then people got involved and started tearing the banner up.
It got heated.
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I never really gave the banner a thought. Now the NMFC Banner read "Welcomes Refugees". So the AFL now is a Political forum? Get ready for any group to unfurl a banner for whatever reason now. No Banner pushing any agenda should be allowed. The AFL cannot pick and choose what is good or bad.
Also the original banner is anti Mosque and whilst councils continue to ignore massive petitions against such buildings this will be an ongoing issue. Either the people have a say or they don't. |
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| Culprit wrote: | I never really gave the banner a thought. Now the NMFC Banner read "Welcomes Refugees". So the AFL now is a Political forum? Get ready for any group to unfurl a banner for whatever reason now. No Banner pushing any agenda should be allowed. The AFL cannot pick and choose what is good or bad.
Also the original banner is anti Mosque and whilst councils continue to ignore massive petitions against such buildings this will be an ongoing issue. Either the people have a say or they don't. |
Great post
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There is no plausible basis for objecting to the building of a mosque unless that basis would apply equally to the building of a church in the same location.
This is not open to debate. |
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David
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| Culprit wrote: | | I never really gave the banner a thought. Now the NMFC Banner read "Welcomes Refugees". So the AFL now is a Political forum? Get ready for any group to unfurl a banner for whatever reason now. No Banner pushing any agenda should be allowed. The AFL cannot pick and choose what is good or bad. |
Can't they? Nobody seems to have told them that. 
But can you explain what the fundamental difference is between this and a banner about a cancer foundation, or something about ending one-punch assaults? Neither have anything to do with football, and both are perfectly good causes. Or do you think "welcoming refugees" is something corporations should sit on the fence on?
People still don't seem to get that the real outrage over this thing on Friday night is not about the fact that someone had the gall to put up a political banner during a football game, but about what this banner in particular said. It's the message that people found offensive.
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | There is no plausible basis for objecting to the building of a mosque unless that basis would apply equally to the building of a church in the same location.
This is not open to debate. |
I don't agree. My last house was next to a catholic school and church, plenty objected to the car parking problem, (it had to be seen to be believed) and also holding big funerals during school hours (primary school). A temple was built in Altona north recently, and there was a lot of objection, it's not a mosque, can't remember what it is, but they usually build big ugly sparkly noisy things, though I have to say I find it quite aesthetic! But then I don't live there. If a new public building of any description is being plunked in a town, the people who live there should have a say in it.
It's only about religion if you see it that way. Putting the nazi symbol on the sign would do that as they did with the UPF thing, which I've never heard of before.
My problem with the sign is its footy, get your political shit out of there, and secondly, don't speak in my name, and as a Collingwood member, they did.
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It's interesting that, for all the condemnation, the UPF have gotten exactly what they wanted, which was publicity. They'd be seeing the media coverage of their banner as a success. But perhaps it's better in the long run that people are aware that these people exist, even if it wins them new converts in the short term.
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| David wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | I never really gave the banner a thought. Now the NMFC Banner read "Welcomes Refugees". So the AFL now is a Political forum? Get ready for any group to unfurl a banner for whatever reason now. No Banner pushing any agenda should be allowed. The AFL cannot pick and choose what is good or bad. |
Can't they? Nobody seems to have told them that.
But can you explain what the fundamental difference is between this and a banner about a cancer foundation, or something about ending one-punch assaults? Neither have anything to do with football, and both are perfectly good causes. Or do you think "welcoming refugees" is something corporations should sit on the fence on?
People still don't seem to get that the real outrage over this thing on Friday night is not about the fact that someone had the gall to put up a political banner during a football game, but about what this banner in particular said. It's the message that people found offensive. |
So what your saying is positive messages only?
But then lots of people see different things as positive to me! So how can I, or anyone else judge?
How about simply, GO PIES!
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swoop42 
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| David wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | I never really gave the banner a thought. Now the NMFC Banner read "Welcomes Refugees". So the AFL now is a Political forum? Get ready for any group to unfurl a banner for whatever reason now. No Banner pushing any agenda should be allowed. The AFL cannot pick and choose what is good or bad. |
Can't they? Nobody seems to have told them that.
But can you explain what the fundamental difference is between this and a banner about a cancer foundation, or something about ending one-punch assaults? Neither have anything to do with football, and both are perfectly good causes. Or do you think "welcoming refugees" is something corporations should sit on the fence on?
People still don't seem to get that the real outrage over this thing on Friday night is not about the fact that someone had the gall to put up a political banner during a football game, but about what this banner in particular said. It's the message that people found offensive. |
What I found most offensive is that by putting "go pies" on it they tried to give it an air of legitimacy by associating there message with the Collingwood football club brand.
Do we even know if they're genuine Collingwood supporters?
Wouldn't surprise if they placed go pies on it to make sure they got maximum exposure. |
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Culprit
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| David wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | I never really gave the banner a thought. Now the NMFC Banner read "Welcomes Refugees". So the AFL now is a Political forum? Get ready for any group to unfurl a banner for whatever reason now. No Banner pushing any agenda should be allowed. The AFL cannot pick and choose what is good or bad. |
Can't they? Nobody seems to have told them that.
But can you explain what the fundamental difference is between this and a banner about a cancer foundation, or something about ending one-punch assaults? Neither have anything to do with football, and both are perfectly good causes. Or do you think "welcoming refugees" is something corporations should sit on the fence on?
People still don't seem to get that the real outrage over this thing on Friday night is not about the fact that someone had the gall to put up a political banner during a football game, but about what this banner in particular said. It's the message that people found offensive. |
Unfortunately it's always the minority that kill it off for everyone else. For the AFL to pick and choose what can and cannot be protested about means the AFL should become a Political Party. |
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| swoop42 wrote: | | David wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | I never really gave the banner a thought. Now the NMFC Banner read "Welcomes Refugees". So the AFL now is a Political forum? Get ready for any group to unfurl a banner for whatever reason now. No Banner pushing any agenda should be allowed. The AFL cannot pick and choose what is good or bad. |
Can't they? Nobody seems to have told them that.
But can you explain what the fundamental difference is between this and a banner about a cancer foundation, or something about ending one-punch assaults? Neither have anything to do with football, and both are perfectly good causes. Or do you think "welcoming refugees" is something corporations should sit on the fence on?
People still don't seem to get that the real outrage over this thing on Friday night is not about the fact that someone had the gall to put up a political banner during a football game, but about what this banner in particular said. It's the message that people found offensive. |
What I found most offensive is that by putting "go pies" on it they tried to give it an air of legitimacy by associating there message with the Collingwood football club brand.
Do we even know if they're genuine Collingwood supporters?
Wouldn't surprise if they placed go pies on it to make sure they got maximum exposure. |
The media ran with it and gave the group a voice. Knowing full well it had nothing to do with the club. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. |
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| swoop42 wrote: | | David wrote: | | Culprit wrote: | | I never really gave the banner a thought. Now the NMFC Banner read "Welcomes Refugees". So the AFL now is a Political forum? Get ready for any group to unfurl a banner for whatever reason now. No Banner pushing any agenda should be allowed. The AFL cannot pick and choose what is good or bad. |
Can't they? Nobody seems to have told them that.
But can you explain what the fundamental difference is between this and a banner about a cancer foundation, or something about ending one-punch assaults? Neither have anything to do with football, and both are perfectly good causes. Or do you think "welcoming refugees" is something corporations should sit on the fence on?
People still don't seem to get that the real outrage over this thing on Friday night is not about the fact that someone had the gall to put up a political banner during a football game, but about what this banner in particular said. It's the message that people found offensive. |
What I found most offensive is that by putting "go pies" on it they tried to give it an air of legitimacy by associating there message with the Collingwood football club brand.
Do we even know if they're genuine Collingwood supporters?
Wouldn't surprise if they placed go pies on it to make sure they got maximum exposure. |
My daughter said he said on the news he's not, and there is certainly no footy talk on his Facebook page, he is just a *&%%^&(*^$
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David
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| swoop42 wrote: | What I found most offensive is that by putting "go pies" on it they tried to give it an air of legitimacy by associating there message with the Collingwood football club brand.
Do we even know if they're genuine Collingwood supporters?
Wouldn't surprise if they placed go pies on it to make sure they got maximum exposure. |
I don't see it as all that relevant either way. Fascists watch football too, and I'm sure they could have dug up a couple of passionate Collingwood supporters from their group if they wanted to. But, regardless, what they wanted was exposure and legitimacy, and they achieved at least one of those goals.
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How about a shout out to the shit media? How come they focussed on the sign, and the <snip>heads instead of the female Collingwood fans that told him off, and the Collingwood fans who joined in and ripped the banner down, but hey that doesn't fit the profile does it?? The media are absolute scum of the worst kind
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David
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What did they do wrong, exactly? Have you seen any media reportage trying to pin this on Collingwood? If anything, Collingwood has largely been praised over their response to this incident. I don't think anyone's dumb enough to argue that this is some kind of reflection on our supporter base.
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