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KenH 
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| Dave The Man wrote: | http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/former-essendon-coach-james-hird-breaks-silence-on-bombers-drugs-saga/news-story/8ce79063afbb812be12e750342a4d074
Does anyone Believe that Bullshit? |
Can't read this!
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| partypie wrote: | | Just wondering if they get tested for peds and illegal substances while under suspension |
yes
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piedys 
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| Funkadelic wrote: | dyso you are correct my friend, i assumed we played them twice as we always seem to.
... and ill keep the gags to a family friendly level, stuff like 'things have gone from bad to worsfold' ' i thought Thymosin beta-4 was a star wars character', y'know, nothing too silly. |
Bwahahahahaha!!! G-rated gags can have us in stitches too! 
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| Woods wrote: | What nonsense. "WADA's oft-repeated ideological stance that an athlete is fully responsible for whatever goes into their body".
Its not ideology it is the law. A law the consequences of which the players were instructed on time and time again at education sessions.
They knew they were in breach of the law every time they chose to lie to ASADA when asked what supplements they were taking. That damns them as knowing perpetrators, not victims. They cheated, and you want to play the 'poor diddums' card. These players are individual grown men with an army of personal advisors, from managers to PR consultants, to turn to for clarification and support. In spite of that they knowingly and repeatedly perpetrated acts of cheating.
The excuse that 'my mates made me do it' is also lame. This is a gangland mentality that has no place in sport. Maybe in your worldview, but not in sport.
You and others that consider these cheats as victims are not only on the wrong side of history, but also the wrong side of common sense, decency and ethics. Repent. |
Lol. I well believe that this is what the law says, as the law at least on this occasion has found against them. But that doesn't mean that the law is necessarily just, of course; it just happens to be the prevailing ideology. My observation is that they did not feel they had the power to say no and that this 'army of personal advisers' you refer to were mostly acting contrary to their interests.
I agree that they were wrong to lie, but again, they did it on the 'advice' of Dank and Robinson, authority figures in a hierarchical system.
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Dave The Man 
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Lawyers are the biggest winners out of this
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He should get his fine money back
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| David wrote: | | Woods wrote: | What nonsense. "WADA's oft-repeated ideological stance that an athlete is fully responsible for whatever goes into their body".
Its not ideology it is the law. A law the consequences of which the players were instructed on time and time again at education sessions.
They knew they were in breach of the law every time they chose to lie to ASADA when asked what supplements they were taking. That damns them as knowing perpetrators, not victims. They cheated, and you want to play the 'poor diddums' card. These players are individual grown men with an army of personal advisors, from managers to PR consultants, to turn to for clarification and support. In spite of that they knowingly and repeatedly perpetrated acts of cheating.
The excuse that 'my mates made me do it' is also lame. This is a gangland mentality that has no place in sport. Maybe in your worldview, but not in sport.
You and others that consider these cheats as victims are not only on the wrong side of history, but also the wrong side of common sense, decency and ethics. Repent. |
Lol. I well believe that this is what the law says, as the law at least on this occasion has found against them. But that doesn't mean that the law is necessarily just, of course; it just happens to be the prevailing ideology. My observation is that they did not feel they had the power to say no and that this 'army of personal advisers' you refer to were mostly acting contrary to their interests.
I agree that they were wrong to lie, but again, they did it on the 'advice' of Dank and Robinson, authority figures in a hierarchical system. |
Can you explain why every player involved left the part that asks if they have taken ANY supplements at all, BLANK?
One player had the power to say no, and did, was he special? Or just brave
Yes they were conned, I have no doubt, but that still doesn't get them off doing their own due diligence. It's drummed into them.
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Finally the correct outcome of this whole sordid mess. Now I can watch footy again.
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David
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| David wrote: | | think positive wrote: | Lol. I well believe that this is what the law says, as the law at least on this occasion has found against them. But that doesn't mean that the law is necessarily just, of course; it just happens to be the prevailing ideology. My observation is that they did not feel they had the power to say no and that this 'army of personal advisers' you refer to were mostly acting contrary to their interests.
I agree that they were wrong to lie, but again, they did it on the 'advice' of Dank and Robinson, authority figures in a hierarchical system. |
Can you explain why every player involved left the part that asks if they have taken ANY supplements at all, BLANK?
One player had the power to say no, and did, was he special? Or just brave
Yes they were conned, I have no doubt, but that still doesn't get them off doing their own due diligence. It's drummed into them. |
Zaharakis had a pathological fear of needles, apparently (or at least, that was the excuse he felt he needed to make). And that I think demonstrates my point perfectly. If not one Essendon player felt they had the power to stand up and say this was wrong, what makes you think that players at any other club would have reacted differently? Do you think players at that particular club at that particular point in time were special?
It seems obvious to me that the vast majority of players at all clubs would have followed like sheep if that club had had a supplements program of this kind, and that to me suggests that players at AFL clubs as a general rule do not feel they have the power to question decisions made by authority figures in a given club. You need someone like a Lumumba (and look how well that turned out for him!). The point is, it would have taken an exceptional person to stand up and say no in that situation; as a general rule, I do not believe that it is just to punish people for not acting exceptionally.
Hopefully this affair will change that culture of unquestioning obedience in AFL clubs, and that's a good thing, but that doesn't make these 34 players anything other than scapegoats.
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Yeah actually it does, it makes them guilty
Of stupidity, of blind faith, of taking illegal supplements
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David
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Not sure you're reading what I'm saying. Perhaps the thing I just posted on Facebook makes my argument clearer - either way, I think simply repeating that they're 'guilty' isn't really engaging with my argument, which is that the issue of guilt in this case is at the very least complex.
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stoliboy 
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i hate carlton
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| David wrote: | | Not sure you're reading what I'm saying. Perhaps the thing I just posted on Facebook makes my argument clearer - either way, I think simply repeating that they're 'guilty' isn't really engaging with my argument, which is that the issue of guilt in this case is at the very least complex. |
Stolen but apt
The Players maybe did not join the dots, but the implications of their situation was obvious to anyone capable of looking at the information objectively.
Ask the players.
How many injections did you receive? (lots)
What was the intent of these injections? (to improve infield performance)
How isn't this drug doping and outright cheating?
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David
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^ You know what's discomforting about that formula? It's well known that our club, and every other AFL club as far as we know, gives its players injections and supplements too. What purpose do they serve other than to improve performance? Essendon just took it to the next level.
I wish it wasn't the case, but that seems to be how things are in the AFL nowadays.
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