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| David wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | | http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/elevenyearold-boy-makes-home-invader-cry-like-a-baby/news-story/1b6262822090a184a1777fd4159bc278 |
The gun lobby seems to love these stories most of all, forgetting that the whole idea of little kids (who, as Dylan Moran put it so beautifully, are about on par intellectually with very drunk adults) wielding loaded guns is batshit insane.
So, one ten-year-old foils a home invasion (ensuring that one less TV ends up on the black market), another two shoot their siblings in the head after an argument and another half a dozen accidentally kill themselves. Kids and guns: great combination. |
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| This is why nothing will change in the USA. |
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LOL. "Even when a man is naked, a woman wants to know he has a job" 
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| stui magpie wrote: |
LOL. "Even when a man is naked, a woman wants to know he has a job" |
I knew you'd like that!
Watch Freedumb for the most honest description of the competitive nature of parents of toddlers! So bloody funny, I woke hubby up laughing!!
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haven't seen that bit, seen a lot of his stuff.
Love the description of taking his disabled mate to a brothel.
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Omg just watched the whole show, its do funny, no one and nothing us sacred, especially religion, Isis, ugly people, his girl friend, but it all comes back to a lesson, so very clever!
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Same old story, I'm afraid:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/14/florida-shooting-school-latest-news-stoneman-douglas
| Quote: | Seventeen people were confirmed dead as the United States endured another horrifying school shooting at the hands of a teenage gunman armed with an AR-15 assault rifle.
Twelve people died inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school in Parkland, Florida. Two died just outside the building, one died in a nearby street and two victims died in hospital, a Broward County sheriff confirmed.
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Medical staff said a total of 17 patients had been taken to three hospitals - two patients died, at least three more were in critical condition. The suspect was also treated and released into police custody.
Sheriff Israel identified the killer as 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz. Israel said Cruz had been “expelled for disciplinary reasons” and that police had found “very disturbing” material when searching Cruz’s social media. (The sheriff’s office had previously released incorrect spellings of his name.)
Israel said: “He had countless magazines, multiple magazines. One AR-15. I do not know if he had a second.” |
Expect the usual flood of thoughts and prayers from politicians. They should start having an effect on US gun violence any minute now.
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| David wrote: | Same old story, I'm afraid:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/14/florida-shooting-school-latest-news-stoneman-douglas
| Quote: | Seventeen people were confirmed dead as the United States endured another horrifying school shooting at the hands of a teenage gunman armed with an AR-15 assault rifle.
Twelve people died inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school in Parkland, Florida. Two died just outside the building, one died in a nearby street and two victims died in hospital, a Broward County sheriff confirmed.
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Medical staff said a total of 17 patients had been taken to three hospitals - two patients died, at least three more were in critical condition. The suspect was also treated and released into police custody.
Sheriff Israel identified the killer as 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz. Israel said Cruz had been “expelled for disciplinary reasons” and that police had found “very disturbing” material when searching Cruz’s social media. (The sheriff’s office had previously released incorrect spellings of his name.)
Israel said: “He had countless magazines, multiple magazines. One AR-15. I do not know if he had a second.” |
Expect the usual flood of thoughts and prayers from politicians. They should start having an effect on US gun violence any minute now. |
"Now is not the time" the response when a right wing politician <insert name> is asked about the issue of gun control.
Once again an assault rifle intended for military use is the weapon of choice and so much for the good guy with the gun saving 17 innocent lives.
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[Copied from a different thread (these are from about 3 months ago)...]
ronrat wrote:
The NRA narrative is that f more people had guns they could fight back. Las Vegas would have been good. 400 people pull out a gun and shoot at anyone else with one. Would have killed everyone but the culprit.
I don't think it will ever change unless somehow victims start suing and winning cases against elected officials receiving funding form the NRA or the NRA themselves. Not the organisation, the organsers.
Mugwump wrote:
It’s an attractive idea, Ronrat, but I don’t think there is any chance that lawmakers will be sued (can you imagine the ramifications if they did and won?). It is conceivable that gun makers might be sued, but I can’t see any tort being upheld against you for what a buyer did to someone else with your lawfully-available product.
If it did not change after Sandy Hook, I struggle to see it ever changing. I am a little surprised that a counter body to the NRA has not sprung up, as I know there are many millions of Americans who want to see this menace eradicated from their society. Perhaps a strong enough leader will emerge, one day, to start funding such a body. With a continuous public education campaign and effective single issue lobbying, It’s just possible that the NRA’s own methods could be turned against it. But as long as that provision sits enthroned within the constitution, it is a hell of a citadel to overpower.
I do wonder whether the explosion of gun ownership and gun crime is a way for ordinary people try to claim back some sense of power and invulnerability as larger forces erode their sense of community, continuity and self-worth. If so, it is hard to see it getting any better any time soon.
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It is probably down to someone like Bill Gates to fund it. If the NRA spend all their time and money defending themselves they will probably have less to spend on lobbyists. Mo body foresaw the tobacco mob getting sued. Brave politicians, even local ones, are needed. Alas they are few and far between. Perhaps a strafing at the Academy awards or a massacre at Disneyland or a Trump resort might would be required to get it rolling.
I can see the USAF getting sued here.
K wrote:
Yes, suing gunmakers, ala tobacco lawsuits, is a way forward...
But, unfortunately, it seems that the lawmakers have acted to protect gun manufacturers from litigation.
See:
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/06/446348616/fact-check-are-gun-makers-totally-free-of-liability-for-their-behavior
http://time.com/4967018/las-vegas-shooting-gun-lawsuits/
Contrast with:
http://time.com/3016961/23-6-billion-lawsuit-winner-to-big-tobacco-are-you-awake-now/[/quote] |
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But would stricter gun laws really have any effect?
For instance, many of the states with the lowest crime rates, including homicide rates, also have some of the fewest limits on gun ownership. In fact, the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a group that supports enhancing gun-control laws, gave in its recent gun-control report card “F” grades (for having lax gun laws) to five of the six states that have the lowest homicide rates. If having fewer gun restrictions causes more violent crime, why would many states with the lowest homicide rates also have relatively few gun-control laws?
The data also show there is no connection to higher gun ownership rates and greater amounts of crime. There are only six states in which 50 percent of the households own firearms: Alaska, Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, West Virginia and Wyoming. If gun-control supporters are correct about the dangers of firearms, these states should have significantly higher crime rates, but the opposite is true here as well. Data provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show four of those six states ranked in the top half of all states for having the lowest homicide rates. Two of the states, Idaho and Wyoming, ranked in the top six.
Further, many cities with very low legal gun ownership rates and stringent gun-control laws, such as Chicago, have extremely high gun-related murder rates.
https://www.newsday.com/opinion/commentary/strict-gun-control-will-never-work-in-america-1.14453352
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| No one should be discussing this. They US people have decided that the right to bare arms over rides the innocent being killed on a regular basis. They are only killing each other so all good. |
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| Skids wrote: | But would stricter gun laws really have any effect?
For instance, many of the states with the lowest crime rates, including homicide rates, also have some of the fewest limits on gun ownership. In fact, the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a group that supports enhancing gun-control laws, gave in its recent gun-control report card “F” grades (for having lax gun laws) to five of the six states that have the lowest homicide rates. If having fewer gun restrictions causes more violent crime, why would many states with the lowest homicide rates also have relatively few gun-control laws?
The data also show there is no connection to higher gun ownership rates and greater amounts of crime. There are only six states in which 50 percent of the households own firearms: Alaska, Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, West Virginia and Wyoming. If gun-control supporters are correct about the dangers of firearms, these states should have significantly higher crime rates, but the opposite is true here as well. Data provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show four of those six states ranked in the top half of all states for having the lowest homicide rates. Two of the states, Idaho and Wyoming, ranked in the top six.
Further, many cities with very low legal gun ownership rates and stringent gun-control laws, such as Chicago, have extremely high gun-related murder rates.
https://www.newsday.com/opinion/commentary/strict-gun-control-will-never-work-in-america-1.14453352 |
There's no central registry so they can only guess at the level of gun ownership, and those states that have the strictest gun laws happen to all be land locked and surrounded by states with slack ones.
It's like being able to drive to Canberra from NSW back in the day to buy fireworks. too easy.
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Imagine if, after Port Arthur, rather than arranging the gun buy-back, the government had instead opened the floodgates to gun purchasing, allowed them to be sold in supermarkets, permitted concealed carry in pubs and encouraged everyone to have their own personal machine gun in their house. We really missed an opportunity to keep ourselves safe there.
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