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David 
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Wokko 
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No they're not, the statistics are sourced, read the link.
Unless by contested you mean that certain groups don't like them and try and discredit without pointing to actual sources then sure, they're contested 
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stui magpie 
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Even if the numbers are correct, the capacity of the average woman to inflict physical damage on the average man is quite less than vice versa. The mental and emotional damage however can be just as great if not more so.
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| Wokko wrote: | No they're not, the statistics are sourced, read the link.
Unless by contested you mean that certain groups don't like them and try and discredit without pointing to actual sources then sure, they're contested |
Yeah that's right. I've lost it, negative. Are we still talking about YOU don't think you're wrong but he or she'd tend to take a more sympathetic view of such feelings of powerlessness – rather than castigating them as pathetic he or she'd rather look at why some men feeling so disenfranchised and unhappy and see if those feelings can be directed to more productive than scapegoating feminists although it should be said that some feminists generate warranted antipathy are feeling so disenfranchised and unhappy ? |
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Wokko
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Even if the numbers are correct, the capacity of the average woman to inflict physical damage on the average man is quite less than vice versa. The mental and emotional damage however can be just as great if not more so. |
Not really, men are constrained despite their physical advantage with knowledge that even self defence is likely to get them kicked out of their home or sent to jail. Your son refused to fight back against an aggressor because of either social conditioning or fear of reprisals from law enforcement; the effects of a domestic violence charge can be pretty far reaching, and copping one from self defence would be soul destroying.
Add onto that threats of losing children or property and many men of abusive spouses aren't just unable to fight back but they're unable to leave (sound familiar?).
Nobody should have to put up with domestic violence, men or women, but women have a powerful State run apparatus that swings into action on their behalf even when they're the aggressor and as for male victims, well people just don't seem to want to know about it, or find them weak and pathetic. |
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stui magpie
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He didn't fight back for a combination of reasons. 1 was social conditioning, I taught him not to hit women. Another was that he knows his strength and knew if he lost his temper and hit back, he'd do damage.
He also knew that the second after he laid a hand on her she'd be on social media, posting photos of any injuries/mark and telling all her girlfriends what a cnut he was, while playing victim. Even if he grabbed her wrists to try to stop her, she'd redden them up more herself then post photos as above.
So basically, the only form of defence was to wear it until you could get out of range.
Edit. FFS, another thread split while I'm writing a response. 
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David
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And when they have their own kids they will coming screaming at their parents to buy things for the grandkids.Parents should liquidate their assets,sell up and buy a caravan and leave them to their own devices.
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| stui magpie wrote: | He didn't fight back for a combination of reasons. 1 was social conditioning, I taught him not to hit women. Another was that he knows his strength and knew if he lost his temper and hit back, he'd do damage.
He also knew that the second after he laid a hand on her she'd be on social media, posting photos of any injuries/mark and telling all her girlfriends what a cnut he was, while playing victim. Even if he grabbed her wrists to try to stop her, she'd redden them up more herself then post photos as above.
So basically, the only form of defence was to wear it until you could get out of range.
Edit. FFS, another thread split while I'm writing a response. |
The best form of defense is to just leave, no one should put up with abuse
Good on him for finally seeing the light and before there was kids to worry about
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And when they have their own kids they will coming screaming at their parents to buy things for the grandkids.Parents should liquidate their assets,sell up and buy a caravan and leave them to their own devices. |
Yep or subject them to psychological or physical abuse - elder abuse in our community is becoming more and more common and again usually by family or associated family members.
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Gender is irrelevant when it comes to inflicting injuries on somebody. A 50kg woman can stab a 125kg bloke in the back anytime she gets the chance. Mental state and motive are the real factors.
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| Skids wrote: | | Gender is irrelevant when it comes to inflicting injuries on somebody. A 50kg woman can stab a 125kg bloke in the back anytime she gets the chance. Mental state and motive are the real factors. |
Just curious, every time someone posts something about domestic violence against women, or any kind of violence or crime against a woman, you come out fighting with stats about men. Why? Just because someone champions one thing, doesn't mean they dismiss another.
Violence against anyone needs to be addressed. No one disputes that. I guess like everything, majority rules, and the overwhelming figures point right now to husbands beating wives and children. That doesn't mean the 30% the other way gets forgotten. Nor does it mean children beating adults is forgotten, or the elderly being attacked by their own blood, or anyone else for that matter.
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Skids
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| think positive wrote: | | Skids wrote: | | Gender is irrelevant when it comes to inflicting injuries on somebody. A 50kg woman can stab a 125kg bloke in the back anytime she gets the chance. Mental state and motive are the real factors. |
Just curious, every time someone posts something about domestic violence against women, or any kind of violence or crime against a woman, you come out fighting with stats about men. Why? Just because someone champions one thing, doesn't mean they dismiss another.
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 What?
The title of the thread is 'Gender & domestic violence' .... I just stated that gender is irrelevant. Fighting with stats??? What stats?
I'm against all violence TP.
The thing that sprang to mind (women & men are both equally capable of hurting each other) was that story on the crimes that rocked Australia where the woman killed the bloke, cut him up into pieces and cooked him. Think it was in SA, the cops found the blokes head simmering in a pot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Knight
Katherine Mary Knight (born 24 October 1955) is the first Australian woman to be sentenced to life imprisonment without parole. She was convicted of the murder of her partner, John Charles Thomas Price (born 6 January 1955), in October 2001, and is currently detained in Silverwater Women's Correctional Centre. She stabbed him then began to skin him. She then put him on a meat hook, cooked, and attempted to serve some of the body parts to her four children. The police caught her before the children came home from school.
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| Skids wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Skids wrote: | | Gender is irrelevant when it comes to inflicting injuries on somebody. A 50kg woman can stab a 125kg bloke in the back anytime she gets the chance. Mental state and motive are the real factors. |
Just curious, every time someone posts something about domestic violence against women, or any kind of violence or crime against a woman, you come out fighting with stats about men. Why? Just because someone champions one thing, doesn't mean they dismiss another.
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What?
The title of the thread is 'Gender & domestic violence' .... I just stated that gender is irrelevant. Fighting with stats??? What stats?
I'm against all violence TP.
The thing that sprang to mind (women & men are both equally capable of hurting each other) was that story on the crimes that rocked Australia where the woman killed the bloke, cut him up into pieces and cooked him. Think it was in SA, the cops found the blokes head simmering in a pot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Knight
Katherine Mary Knight (born 24 October 1955) is the first Australian woman to be sentenced to life imprisonment without parole. She was convicted of the murder of her partner, John Charles Thomas Price (born 6 January 1955), in October 2001, and is currently detained in Silverwater Women's Correctional Centre. She stabbed him then began to skin him. She then put him on a meat hook, cooked, and attempted to serve some of the body parts to her four children. The police caught her before the children came home from school. |
ah sorry, confused you with wokko!
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