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3.14159 
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There are a couple of key sentences in this article that NO-ONE (except me) seems to have read...
| Quote: | Army chaplains are understood to have pushed for the change.
Former principal chaplain to the army Monsignor Greg Flynn said:
“We have been aware of this coming down the track and most chaplains would agree with the change.
It is a reality.”
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If you people aren't happy about the Australian Army Chaplin's wanting the reference to the crusades removed, it's something that you should take up with your local church! |
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| 3.14159 wrote: | There are a couple of key sentences in this article that NO-ONE (except me) seems to have read...
| Quote: | Army chaplains are understood to have pushed for the change.
Former principal chaplain to the army Monsignor Greg Flynn said:
“We have been aware of this coming down the track and most chaplains would agree with the change.
It is a reality.”
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If you people aren't happy about the Australian Army Chaplin's wanting the reference to the crusades removed, it's something that you should take up with your local church! |
I missed that  
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| 3.14159 wrote: | There are a couple of key sentences in this article that NO-ONE (except me) seems to have read...
| Quote: | Army chaplains are understood to have pushed for the change.
Former principal chaplain to the army Monsignor Greg Flynn said:
“We have been aware of this coming down the track and most chaplains would agree with the change.
It is a reality.”
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If you people aren't happy about the Australian Army Chaplin's wanting the reference to the crusades removed, it's something that you should take up with your local church! |
No I read that 3 which is why I made no comment re the insignia - my objection is and remains the choice of army imam (I had to quote the article as that is where this came from):
" The army imam, Sheik Mohamadu Nawas Saleem, has previously called for sharia law to be introduced into Australia. He signed a petition supporting radical Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir, which has argued in favour of honour killings and said Muslim students should not be forced to honour Anzac Day. "
Just one article from a quick search!
ONE of the nation's top Muslim leaders, Sheik Mohamadu Nawas Saleem, has supported a plan to introduce sharia law in Australia, saying it could operate in the family law system through a new model of Islamic arbitration.
In its submission to the parliamentary inquiry into the policy, the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils called for Muslims to be offered "legal pluralism".
But Mr McClelland said there was no place for sharia law in Australian society, and the government strongly rejected any proposal for its introduction.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/imam-wants-sharia-law-here-but-a-g-says-no-way/story-fn59niix-1226057823890
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| Morrigu wrote: | | 3.14159 wrote: | There are a couple of key sentences in this article that NO-ONE (except me) seems to have read...
| Quote: | Army chaplains are understood to have pushed for the change.
Former principal chaplain to the army Monsignor Greg Flynn said:
“We have been aware of this coming down the track and most chaplains would agree with the change.
It is a reality.”
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If you people aren't happy about the Australian Army Chaplin's wanting the reference to the crusades removed, it's something that you should take up with your local church! |
No I read that 3 which is why I made no comment re the insignia - my objection is and remains the choice of army imam (I had to quote the article as that is where this came from):
" The army imam, Sheik Mohamadu Nawas Saleem, has previously called for sharia law to be introduced into Australia. He signed a petition supporting radical Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir, which has argued in favour of honour killings and said Muslim students should not be forced to honour Anzac Day. "
Just one article from a quick search!
ONE of the nation's top Muslim leaders, Sheik Mohamadu Nawas Saleem, has supported a plan to introduce sharia law in Australia, saying it could operate in the family law system through a new model of Islamic arbitration.
In its submission to the parliamentary inquiry into the policy, the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils called for Muslims to be offered "legal pluralism".
But Mr McClelland said there was no place for sharia law in Australian society, and the government strongly rejected any proposal for its introduction.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/imam-wants-sharia-law-here-but-a-g-says-no-way/story-fn59niix-1226057823890 |
Gees
Not only should he not have got the job/post, he should be either locked in the nut house, or better yet,sent back where he came from. Tell me please, why they leave? I'm assuming he was t a refugee, so why come here away from those conditions, and want to bring the. With you? $£$%^%%$ crazy
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| Morrigu wrote: |
" The army imam, Sheik Mohamadu Nawas Saleem, has previously called for sharia law to be introduced into Australia. He signed a petition supporting radical Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir, which has argued in favour of honour killings and said Muslim students should not be forced to honour Anzac Day. "
Just one article from a quick search!
ONE of the nation's top Muslim leaders, Sheik Mohamadu Nawas Saleem, has supported a plan to introduce sharia law in Australia, saying it could operate in the family law system through a new model of Islamic arbitration.
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He said he'd like to see it operate in conjunction with the Family Court when Muslim families are involved, OK fair enough, that is his opinion.
(It's not too dis-similar to what Aboriginals would like in their communities).
He signed a petition supporting Hizb ut-Tahrir, again big deal, they are not a Terrorist organisation, they are just another group with a wish list and he has never (to my knowledge) supported honour killings and signing a petition does NOT mean he automatically agrees with EVERY thing that Organisation stands for.
I did a quick search "Sheik Mohamadu Nawas Saleem honour killings" all I got was links to Anti Halal, Andrew Bolt and The Australian (Tax-Payer funded) Newspaper editorials.
Not exactly paragons of dis-ambiguity!
If he really was even 1/2 as bad (as Murdoch would have us believe) I doubt he have got this position in the Australian Army.
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| Under what circumstances? Can you give me a more specific reference? The name of the paper and the date, please. |
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^ fair points, Pi. While that is "calling for Sharia Law to be introduced", it's pretty nuanced and specific if that is all it was. I suspect it'd the thin end of the wedge, but it's not quite how it was reported.
The motto does not originate from the crusades, though it was probably used in them - as it was, apparently, on the scarps of Gallipoli.
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Fair enough 3 that's your opinion and you are indeed entitled to it
I disagree and am indeed entitled to do so
We are now so hell bent on not offending it has become ridiculous - he IMHO should not have a position in the Army ( or any official Govt position) the same as any clergy rep from any religion that espouses such views whether they be anti gay, anti Semitic anti whatever or just not in accordance with the cultural mores and values of the society they live in - in this case Australia - should not hold such positions.
I want no part of Sharia in any way shape or form being implemented in this country - end of !! It was more than a suggestion the Islamic Council put in a formal application to have it incorporated into law - tell me how many other demands from the multitude of religious organisations should we entertain and accept as ok in this country??
Yes many indigenous Australian communities are seeking to incorporate tradional law in their communities - they are mainly remote. I don't agree with this either - cause like Sharia it is mediavial
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Yeah totally agree
Re the comparison to aboriginal communities, really? Do you think they would be accepting of a bunch of Aussies going over there and wanting our laws accepted? Hmm, I'm,no, particulary with family law. Women and children need protecting from anything to do with Sharia law.
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One country, one set of laws that apply equally to all, not different laws for different people.
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^ yep that's all I want 👍
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As I said, I tend to agree with you on Sharia, but that doesn't make someone who suggests a pluralistic legal system the scum of the earth. He's entitled to his view, and it looks like he's the victim of some pretty nasty character assassination right now.
You want to talk about Australian values, well, free speech is one of them. It'd be good if a few more people said that and meant it.
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stui magpie
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Being able express a view without being prosecuted doesn't mean that you won't be ridiculed or otherwise suffer some penalty.
He's free to raise his opinion and others are free to express their opinion about his intelligence and suitability for some forms of employment.
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| stui magpie wrote: | | One country, one set of laws that apply equally to all, not different laws for different people. |
I agree, but the differential legal and economic access wealth buys dwarfs any division Shariah Twain law could dream of.
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