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Bob Sugar 



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:04 pm
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uncanny wrote:
from previous discussions:

Collingwood team: 1970 to 1993
FB Stan Magro Gary Pert Mark Williams
HB Gavin Crocisca Bill Picken Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Barry Price Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Phil Carman Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham
R Len Thompson Mick McGuane John Greening
I Wayne Richardson Tony Francis Scott Russell
Tony Shaw

Collingwood team: 1994 to 2014

FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Nick Maxwell
HB Scott Burns James Clement Leon Davis
C Steele Sidebottom Dane Swan Chris Tarrant
HF Alan Didak Anthony Rocca Paul Williams
FF Ben Reid Travis Cloke Dale Thomas
R Darren Jolly Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Josh Fraser Dayne Beams Saverio Rocca
Andrew Krakoeur

Collingwood team: 1970 to 2014

FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Nick Maxwell
HB Scott Burns James Clement Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Dane Swan Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Anthony Rocca Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham
R Len Thompson Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Wayne Richardson Tony Francis Scott Russell
Tony Shaw


No Daicos in the 1970-2014 side?

Nevermind.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:21 pm
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uncanny wrote:
from previous discussions:

Collingwood team: 1970 to 1993
FB Stan Magro Gary Pert Mark Williams
HB Gavin Crocisca Bill Picken Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Barry Price Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Phil Carman Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham
R Len Thompson Mick McGuane John Greening
I Wayne Richardson Tony Francis Scott Russell
Tony Shaw

Collingwood team: 1994 to 2014

FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Nick Maxwell
HB Scott Burns James Clement Leon Davis
C Steele Sidebottom Dane Swan Chris Tarrant
HF Alan Didak Anthony Rocca Paul Williams
FF Ben Reid Travis Cloke Dale Thomas
R Darren Jolly Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Josh Fraser Dayne Beams Saverio Rocca
Andrew Krakoeur

Collingwood team: 1970 to 2014

FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Nick Maxwell
HB Scott Burns James Clement Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Dane Swan Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Anthony Rocca Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham
R Len Thompson Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Wayne Richardson Tony Francis Scott Russell
Tony Shaw

As much as I dislike Tony Shaw in the media he's a lock for a starting 18 rover position, I'd start with Pendles-Shaw-Buckley and Thompson in the middle, Swan moves to HF in place of Brown.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:24 pm
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We have never talked about it before.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:00 am
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Bob Sugar wrote:
Flashman wrote:
People either have short memories or are massively underrating Gavin Brown.

He was an absolutely outstanding wingman (I remember him tearing South Australia a new one in the 1989 State of Origin to romp in the EJ whitten Medal against some outstanding competition as a young bloke) who due to necessity, because we were so shit in the mid 90's, had to play down back on the oppositions best forward despite often giving away height and weight (he also excelled at that tearing Darren Jarman a new one as a defender to win a second EJ Whitten Medal as well).

Wright was a decent enough player but Browny was a champion and an automatic selection in any best Pies side from any era.


Wright had him well and truly covered as a wingman, Wright was the best in the caper in that position, and IMO he's probably one of the most underrated players from that era.

As for Brown, IMO he wasn't good enough in any one position to make the starting 18, my starting 18 at least.

Your opinion but the stats don't bare your Graham Wright love out at all.

Brown averaged more possessions, kicked more goals, won more Copelands, and was a flat out better footballer. If truth be told he was a better wingman than Millane too.

Rowdy was the most courageous footballer I've ever seen (only Archer and Scotty Burns rival him) and the shortcomings he had in his kicking are more than made up for in his marking ability, manic attack on the man and ball and his utter selflessness.

In my time watching the Pies it's Buckley, Brown, Daicos, Swan and Pendlebury who stand out as the outstanding players I've seen and that's no disrespect for the other greats I've witnessed.

Saying Gavin Brown was overrated as a player is bullshit.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:35 am
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Agree, massive Wright fan but Rowdy had him covered easily.
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Agree, massive Wright fan but Rowdy had him covered easily.

Fully agree jackass, Rowdy is in my top 5 Collingwood players of all time (my supporter life that is almost 50 years). Impossible to beat one on one. Is just behind Greening as the best wingman the club has ever produced, a great mark, and for an opposition player you couldn't get the pill off him worse than a bulldog with a bone!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:19 am
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Mossi wrote:
jackcass wrote:
Agree, massive Wright fan but Rowdy had him covered easily.

Fully agree jackass, Rowdy is in my top 5 Collingwood players of all time (my supporter life that is almost 50 years). Impossible to beat one on one. Is just behind Greening as the best wingman the club has ever produced, a great mark, and for an opposition player you couldn't get the pill off him worse than a bulldog with a bone!

Actually, wouldn't you say that Brown was a Utility player, whereas Wright and Millane were classic wingmen.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:27 am
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BucksIsFutureCoach wrote:
Mossi wrote:
jackcass wrote:
Agree, massive Wright fan but Rowdy had him covered easily.

Fully agree jackass, Rowdy is in my top 5 Collingwood players of all time (my supporter life that is almost 50 years). Impossible to beat one on one. Is just behind Greening as the best wingman the club has ever produced, a great mark, and for an opposition player you couldn't get the pill off him worse than a bulldog with a bone!

Actually, wouldn't you say that Brown was a Utility player, whereas Wright and Millane were classic wingmen.


Doesn't really matter what you call him as it doesn't alter the fact he was clearly a better wingman than both Wright or Millane. By all means name him at HF or HB but if you're doing it because those others were better in the position then I think you're wrong.

That's not a knock on Wrighty or Pants either, both in my all time top 10 favourite players. Yet neither would make my top 10 players seen at Collingwood in terms of quality.

We have been blessed with some fantastic wingmen over even my time watching footy. Greening, Barham, Barwick, Brown, Wright, Millane, Abernathy....
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:41 am
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uncanny wrote:
from previous discussions:

Collingwood team: 1970 to 1993
FB Stan Magro Gary Pert Mark Williams
HB Gavin Crocisca Bill Picken Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Barry Price Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Phil Carman Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham
R Len Thompson Mick McGuane John Greening
I Wayne Richardson Tony Francis Scott Russell
Tony Shaw

Collingwood team: 1994 to 2014

FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Nick Maxwell
HB Scott Burns James Clement Leon Davis
C Steele Sidebottom Dane Swan Chris Tarrant
HF Alan Didak Anthony Rocca Paul Williams
FF Ben Reid Travis Cloke Dale Thomas
R Darren Jolly Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Josh Fraser Dayne Beams Saverio Rocca
Andrew Krakoeur

Collingwood team: 1970 to 2014

FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Nick Maxwell
HB Scott Burns James Clement Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Dane Swan Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Anthony Rocca Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham
R Len Thompson Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Wayne Richardson Tony Francis Scott Russell
Tony Shaw



Andrew Krakouer in 1994-2014 side ??? Yikes!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:42 am
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Bob Sugar wrote:
uncanny wrote:
from previous discussions:

Collingwood team: 1970 to 1993
FB Stan Magro Gary Pert Mark Williams
HB Gavin Crocisca Bill Picken Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Barry Price Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Phil Carman Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham
R Len Thompson Mick McGuane John Greening
I Wayne Richardson Tony Francis Scott Russell
Tony Shaw

Collingwood team: 1994 to 2014

FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Nick Maxwell
HB Scott Burns James Clement Leon Davis
C Steele Sidebottom Dane Swan Chris Tarrant
HF Alan Didak Anthony Rocca Paul Williams
FF Ben Reid Travis Cloke Dale Thomas
R Darren Jolly Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Josh Fraser Dayne Beams Saverio Rocca
Andrew Krakoeur

Collingwood team: 1970 to 2014

FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Nick Maxwell
HB Scott Burns James Clement Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Dane Swan Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Anthony Rocca Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham
R Len Thompson Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Wayne Richardson Tony Francis Scott Russell
Tony Shaw


No Daicos in the 1970-2014 side?

Nevermind.


He is listed on half forward flank Stevie Wonder!!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:39 pm
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inxs88 wrote:
Bob Sugar wrote:
uncanny wrote:
from previous discussions:

Collingwood team: 1970 to 1993
FB Stan Magro Gary Pert Mark Williams
HB Gavin Crocisca Bill Picken Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Barry Price Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Phil Carman Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham
R Len Thompson Mick McGuane John Greening
I Wayne Richardson Tony Francis Scott Russell
Tony Shaw

Collingwood team: 1994 to 2014

FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Nick Maxwell
HB Scott Burns James Clement Leon Davis
C Steele Sidebottom Dane Swan Chris Tarrant
HF Alan Didak Anthony Rocca Paul Williams
FF Ben Reid Travis Cloke Dale Thomas
R Darren Jolly Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Josh Fraser Dayne Beams Saverio Rocca
Andrew Krakoeur

Collingwood team: 1970 to 2014

FB Heath Shaw Simon Prestigiacomo Nick Maxwell
HB Scott Burns James Clement Shane Morwood
C Darren Millane Dane Swan Graham Wright
HF Peter Daicos Anthony Rocca Gavin Brown
FF Peter Moore Peter McKenna Des Tuddenham
R Len Thompson Nathan Buckley Scott Pendlebury
I Wayne Richardson Tony Francis Scott Russell
Tony Shaw


No Daicos in the 1970-2014 side?

Nevermind.


He is listed on half forward flank Stevie Wonder!!


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:03 pm
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From the Herald Sun today, selected by BT and Jon Anderson apparently.

COLLINGWOOD’S BEST OF THE AFL ERA

B: Leon Davis, James Clement, Shane Morwood

HB: Mick McGuane, Nick Maxwell, Heath Shaw

C: Gavin Brown, Nathan Buckley, Dane Swan

HF: Scott Burns, Travis Cloke, Alan Didak

F: Peter Daicos, Sav Rocca, Anthony Rocca

Foll: Damian Monkhorst, Scott Pendlebury, Tony Shaw (captain)

Inter: Graham Wright, Ben Johnson, Paul Licuria, Gavin Crosisca

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/collingwoods-best-22-of-afl-era-includes-leon-davis-nick-maxwell/news-story/a0598185f2890c53c1750f231ed4753c

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stui magpie wrote:
From the Herald Sun today, selected by BT and Jon Anderson apparently.

COLLINGWOOD’S BEST OF THE AFL ERA

B: Leon Davis, James Clement, Shane Morwood

HB: Mick McGuane, Nick Maxwell, Heath Shaw

C: Gavin Brown, Nathan Buckley, Dane Swan

HF: Scott Burns, Travis Cloke, Alan Didak

F: Peter Daicos, Sav Rocca, Anthony Rocca

Foll: Damian Monkhorst, Scott Pendlebury, Tony Shaw (captain)

Inter: Graham Wright, Ben Johnson, Paul Licuria, Gavin Crosisca

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/collingwoods-best-22-of-afl-era-includes-leon-davis-nick-maxwell/news-story/a0598185f2890c53c1750f231ed4753c

Clement full back? Maxwell centre half back?

Did either of them actually play those positions ever? Yeah I recall Clement towelling up Mark Williams for Hawthorn but he was hardly a true full forward and Maxy hardly ever had an opponent anyway.

It looks like they've just invented roles for players so they could fit their favourites in. Presti was our best true full back for a decade and he's the obvious fullback, and Clement was a gun so Davis or Morwood make way for him either to the bench or out of the side. As for Maxy, a great leader, clubman and bloke and also underrated as a player but Shane Wakelin was a better key defender as Maxy wasn't one to begin with.

Anderson must've selected this one after happy hour had clouded his judgement and memory...again.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:29 am
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B Burns Clement H. Shaw
HB G. Brown Reid Maxwell
C McGuane Swan Millane
HF Tarrant Cloke Didak
F Beams S. Rocca Daicos

R Monkhorst Buckley (c) Pendlebury

Int. Sidebottom Wright Licuria Morwood

Would've loved to have squeezed Leon and Paul Williams in there, but couldnt find room.

T. Shaw misses out b/c he was just too slow for the modern game, and kicking not exactly penetrating.
Presti misses b/c he too had suspect kicking. Would be a liability in today's game.
Clement did play fb on guys like Fevola, and reg towelled him up.
Reid was / is an all Aus CHB, and at his best is so valuable. Sweeping kick out of the back line, Ned or Wakes not as quick or as good a kick.
Maxwell also an AA at his best, and always rose to the occasion. Thought about excluding both prem captains, but he deserves to be in there.
Medhurst prob our best FP, but he was short-lived in a dominating team, and Beams gets the nod for his overall game.
Tarrant also an AA, which Pebs never was.. and again, at his best, kicked more goals, had pace, and marked everything.
Sav ahead of his brother, due to goals kicked and the guy won a copeland.
Wright came close to winning a brownlow, and brings pace and goal kicking off the bench.
Sidey's stats are better than Williams, and he's only getting better. Could play 300 games for us, whilst williams was AA only after he left us.
Licuria won two copelands and gives you inside midfield grunt... and again, I'd have him in before Shaw.
Morwood's stats and skills were elite, and was always highly regarded by teammates and opposition.
Rowdy down back plays tall and never let anything past him... ditto S Burns. Guns.
In fact, my seven favourite players in this side only includes one pure forward - Daicos. The others being Buckley, Pendles, Clement, Swan, Brown and Burns.
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